THE WORLD IS BEAUTIFUL

by **Paul** Thu 10 Aug 2023, 3:52 pm

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites edited to VALLEY of the SUN C C ( a look back at VOTSCC & WGT) in later years .
This was the main recruiting thread for the CC .

There were some others .

CC ADVERTISEMENTS
Valley of the Sun Casual Club

CC to consider

Try it you might like it

IF YOU HAVN'T SEEN THE COOLEST AND FUNNEST

MAKING THE TURN

*Valley of the SUN "OFF THE RAIL"

*If you have a good air conditioner

A PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GR8 AND THE TOURNEYS ARE ....

TIME TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT OUR CC

ARE YOU A SMALL STRUGGLING CC ?

WEBSITE / FORUM FOR YOUR CC , ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES

IRISH IN THE VALLEY

AN OFFER YOU WILL LIKELY REFUSE

WE STILL HAVE THE T-BIRD

*THINGS GO BETTER WITH GIRLS

New Home for VOTSCC Dwellers

It looks like introductions and invites to .............

TIME TO SERIOUSLY LOOK A OUR CC

Join the most NonExclusive Cub on ..............

Country Club Corner » Joining a country club

These threads are all still active in the WGT.com/forums . Of course you nor anyone can see them .

As in their always infinite wisdom . WGT Moderation has locked them all from public view .

Evidently my endless positivity got to be too much for the Moderators and their good friends the flame baiting trolls .

They worked together to set me up for failure . Claiming me to have allegedly violated their terms a couple times . Therefore it was necessary to completely ban me from the WGT.com/forums for life .

Even if it were true that I had violated their terms . Which I had not . None of the flame baiters and trolls dozens and hundreds of blatant over the top violations have ever been in question .

There is nothing that can be done about such abuses of power . They have no one to answer to .

This is very real and a very sad state of affairs . And has existed for al, 16 years of WGT's existence .

The below is a copy of VOTSCC's main thread in Country Club Corner .

As with all other threads . I copy them in their entirety . However , this I think will be the longest one yet . 63 pages .

Pages 1 - 3

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Oct 25 2014 3:25 PM

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO SCAN THROUGH THIS THREAD , CLICK ON A COUPLE URL'S . GO ALL THE WAY TO THE LAST PAGES AND MOST CURRENT POST'S . IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE . PLEASE MESSAGE ME WITH YOUR INTENT . THAT WAY I KNOW YOU ARE INFORMED . I WILL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU AN INVITE . THANK YOU PAUL .

Valley of the Sun Casual Club C C invites players looking for a new CC . To come take a look at ours .
We are an all tiers CC ..
We have fun tourneys at all levels .
You can make your own tourneys or I will make them custom for you .
We have a good friendly owner me , Paul . . Message me with questions , suggestions , concerns .
Thanx Paul
We also have prizes including balls , clubs , credits , trophies and awards . Visit our website / forum
Valley of the SUN club forum
For the use and enjoyment of all . But mainly as VOTSCC's free for all to use website . Slowly incorporating its many awesome forum features into VOTSCC's go to place for chat , tutorials , information , replays , hall of fames , matches and whatever else this well made , user friendly , has everything that wgt doesn't , open to all to join whether or not you belong to VOTSCC are welcome to use the free chat room ( as wgt does not provide this ) for anything you may desire .
This is just another gr8 addition to our effort to provide a gr8 club for those who want to be part of growing a fun and friendly CC
I have created a page in our website that I have embedded the Saturday and Sunday brackets in . With the chat right in between them .

May the SUN always be with you
Paul
This is very important .Please read the following posts before you exit .Especially the last page . This is a CC you cannot pass up at least taking a look at .
Thank you

And a whole lot more
harrymunk
443 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 3:33 AM
a small cc but going places all tiers welcome
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 7:03 AM
- We are still looking for players . Right now with 28 members . 28 very good members . We still need more members of different interests to continue with some of our formats .
  Good members do not have all the same interests . They do not have to like or even participate in every thing we present .
  For instance . We have 13 on Team VOTSCC INTERPLAY . That is fine . But the recommended default amount is 16 .
  
  Current event :CLASH IN SESSION
  We have 6 players playing our Daily BLITZ . Which takes us through the 25 courses 1 a day M - F for 5 weeks per season . We are in our 13th season . 65 consecutive weeks .
  Re: CLICK HERE AND CLICK THE LAST PAGE . TO POST YOUR BLITZ SCORES
  We also have a VOTSCC SKILLS CTTH challenge . These are not daily but run 72 hours . There are 35 CTTH courses .
  VOTSCC SKILLS SERIES SINGLE ROUND CTTH CHAMPS
  We have 4 in CC Match play and Stroke play challenges . Members challenge the title holder . The winner is the champ and sports the title on their wall until they are challenged and beat .
  
  We also have embedded live Brackets from Challonge in our website . That play live with a chat box right below the bracket so you don't have to go anywhere else except to WGT to invite and play your round .
  https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/portal?pid=2
  We also have very cool CC tourneys and brackets . And many more . Obviously some will be drawn to different events . We just need more players til fill these GR8 events and keep them alive . Nothing is mandatory or required . But silence is not acceptable .
  The possibilities are endless . Everyone is equal in our CC . Input and ideas are encouraged and any opinion on anything in any direction is heard and respected .
  A few more here and a few more there is all we are looking for . There is quite a lot to keep ones interest .
  
  Rooter
  Paul,
  Here's a Thank You that you very much deserve. Having fun in the CC in the short time I have been here.
  Rob
- Paul, You are doing a fantastic job, and I greatly appriciate what you have done for this club. I didnt realize how much time that you have to deal with the day to day issues. Barry
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 7:12 AM
Here are a couple of reviews

"Thank-You"
Thank you so much for the award. Its been my pleasure belonging to the CC. Impressed with the level of service and tournaments. Great job. BTW az= Arizona / dewars= my preferred Scotch

Respectfully,
John (azdewars)

Thanks for the participation award many thanks
Chris (Arnie) Finlay
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 7:28 AM
When a new player joins and starts playing in the CC tourneys . This is one of the awards you will receive .

"Participation Appreciation Award"

Not to mention other special awards like harry's elite " wgt good guy " award .
harrymunk
443 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 8:29 AM
come join guys
harrymunk
443 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 9:37 AM
.
kishoph
2,978 Posts Sun, Oct 26 2014 1:14 PM
Sent in a request, looking forward to playing in CC tournaments, I really don't play in any other tournaments.
Marco129
275 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 2:41 AM

pdb1:

We have a great website with tournaments , forums , tutorials , good information

Although I am a happy member of another country club, I think you guys did a wonderful job with your website/forum. Nicely done.
- Mark
27stitches
161 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 5:32 AM
Mr monk has been eveyrwhere, good luck with your adventure !! I wish you all the success in the world !!

pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 8:35 AM

27stitches:
Mr monk has been eveyrwhere, good luck with your adventure !! I wish you all the success in the world !!

Yes and we are lucky to have him here with us now He is truly one of the original " WGT GOOD GUYS " .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 8:41 AM
But our merits are all inclusive .
Our members are all upstanding people .
Very small club hoping to grow at a slow rate .
Catching the interest of all types of players who just want to play fun tourneys for fun with no competative pressure at all .
Thanx
Paul
harrymunk
443 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 12:05 PM
...
J2FFY
17 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 1:17 PM
Can I join?
harrymunk
443 Posts Mon, Oct 27 2014 2:38 PM
surecan
harrymunk
443 Posts Tue, Oct 28 2014 2:29 PM
.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Oct 28 2014 5:16 PM
bumpity bump
harrymunk
443 Posts Tue, Oct 28 2014 5:19 PM
.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Oct 31 2014 9:24 PM
bump time . Please read from the top pg. 1 .
Thank you
Paul
kishoph
2,978 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 3:17 AM
I joined the VSCC recently and have been very happy that I did.

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 8:47 AM
Thank you K . We're happy to have you .
Paul
harrymunk
443 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 8:53 AM
its a good cc all levels of players joining in
DignDivets
1 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 12:44 PM
just joined up.
harrymunk
443 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 12:56 PM
welcome dd
TheBigPW
17 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 1:01 PM
Just sent a request to join. Looking forward to it.
harrymunk
443 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 2:23 PM
.
harrymunk
443 Posts Sat, Nov 1 2014 3:36 PM
welcome in mr
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Nov 2 2014 7:45 AM
Thank you K . Nice to have you .
Paul
harrymunk
443 Posts Sun, Nov 2 2014 12:30 PM
.
DC999
148 Posts Sun, Nov 2 2014 2:10 PM
new player here pb or harry is ok to join?
been playing 2 weeks and made master already so hopefully ill fit in
thanks
DC

by **Paul** Thu 10 Aug 2023, 3:58 pm

harrymunk
443 Posts Sun, Nov 2 2014 3:50 PM
yr in mr
harrymunk
443 Posts Wed, Nov 5 2014 10:36 AM
.
harrymunk
443 Posts Sat, Nov 8 2014 10:03 AM
we are looking for members who want to play every week lots of tourneys running credits and free balls lots of info in cc forum
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Nov 9 2014 6:28 PM
Thank you for just looking . We would be happy to have you .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Nov 15 2014 9:40 PM
I am pleased to announce that I am now managing the Valley of the SUN website and forum
Valley of the SUN club forum

For the use and enjoyment of all . But mainly as VOTSCC's free for all to use website . Slowly incorporating its many awesome forum features into VOTSCC's go to place for chat , tutorials , information , replays , hall of fames , matches and whatever else this well made , user friendly , has everything that wgt doesn't , open to all to join whether or not you belong to VOTSCC are welcome to use the free chat room ( as wgt does not provide this ) for anything you may desire .
This is just another gr8 addition to our effort to provide a gr8 club for those who want to be part of growing a fun and friendly CC
May the SUN always be with you
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Nov 22 2014 10:55 PM
Hi ! Paul here . Nothing really new here . Please read the threads and visit our website (above) .
Thanx Paul
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Dec 1 2014 6:55 PM
The first link is our WGT CC . We are an all tiers CC . Fun place to hone your skills , lower your average and tier up . We have awards , trophies , prizes etc. We are a young club not without the struggles involved in building a strong club . We have a good foundation at this point .

The second link is our Open Forum . Complete with a great chat room , information , tutorials , links to other pertinent sites , forums , open discussions ,Hole in One Hall of Fame , Best of replays user statstics and much more .

Our Open Forum is open to all interested people . One does not have to be a member of our WGT CC to register there . In fact , one can belong to another CC and register there . This comes in handy in many ways .For instance , you can be playing a match in WGT and carry on a conversation with someone else at the same time in our chat room , or say you had a good round with someone you just met . Within a couple of minutes you both or more could meet at our chat , continue your conversation and schedule future match ups and meetings . Just like that .

I have many more plans for this forum like , it will be the check in chat room for our up and coming challonge tournaments . It is ideal for this and many other features that this outstanding forum has to offer.

My name is Paul . You can message me with any questions , suggestion , concerns , etc.

WGT Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C

Valley of the SUN open forum
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Dec 17 2014 5:41 PM

pdb1:

Valley of the Sun Casual Club C C invites players looking for a new CC . To come take a look at ours .
We are an all tiers CC ..
We have fun tourneys at all levels .
You can make your own tourneys or I will make them custom for you .
A great club to improve your game , hone your skills , lower your scores and average , move up in tiers .
Gr8 group of guys here . We welcome all .
We have a good friendly owner me , Paul . . Message me with questions , suggestions , concerns .
Thanx Paul
We also have prizes including balls , clubs , credits , trophies and awards .

We also have a cool new website / forum that I am working on
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/
Please go check it out . You can even join even if you don't join my WGT CC .
I have plans to try MP tourneys through " challonge " .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jan 2 2015 1:10 PM
Please read through the threads and feel free to visit the club and our website ( they are separate ) . If you are interested in joining WGT's Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C . There are only 3 things required :
1) Participate in CC tourneys
2) Communicate with the owner enough to know you are human
3) Register in our website / forum
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/
That is all.
If you already belong to a C C or if you don't want to join a WGT C C . You may still register in our website and utilize the many cool features it has to offer .
We are starting weekend matches through " challonge " and you are welcome to participate in those as well .
Thank you
PDB1VOTSCC
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jan 4 2015 12:18 PM
A couple spots for tourney 1/04/2015 3:00 pm MST 1 hour from now sign up closes .
Click Here

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jan 8 2015 6:34 PM
We are now running active tournaments on the weekends and are ready to start weekday blitz . Please just take a few and look us over .
Thank you Paul
PDB1VOTSCC
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jan 22 2015 9:34 PM
Hi . Paul here . Hope you are having a gr8 2015 . Please read through these threads . There are a couple links throughout . I invite you to take a look . Many improvements . For 2015 and more to come .
Before I go on . I have created a page in our website that I have embedded the Saturday and Sunday brackets in . With the chat right in between them .
These brackets run in real time . Which means when you look at them they are exactly current with the tournament . ( clarify real time once the tournament has started all the way through until after the finals and it has ended and the final results are posted ). So we are able to be right there in the chat and look right at the bracket and know where it stands .
So you can view in real time the progress of the brackets , the courses , the conditions , your opponents , the other match ups . right there in front of you . No going back and forth from the bracket to the chat . No more waiting for the host to tell you your match up , the course , etc , No more waiting until the host returns to the chat and have to wait for him to type in all of the individual instructions .
You now can figure it out , most of it , yourself . The host , admin , me still has to start and stop each round and post all final scores .When the tourney starts . The two opponents then know who they are ( the bracket changes right before your eyes ) . They then decide who sets and invites . One of them goes to WGT and sets and invites and the other one goes to the WGT game client lobby and waits for the invite . But the clarity , the efficiency , the convenience of this is incredible .
I am amazed . I had never even heard of anything like it until I created it here . I am sure It happens all over the place .In other sports too besides WGT golf . All I saw was something that said embed your brackets in your website . That even took me a while to figure out .
Thanx
Paul
PDB1
AZWIZ
VOTSCC
May the SUN always be with you .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jan 23 2015 10:41 AM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Feb 4 2015 3:22 PM
Current events include :
Saturday Matchplay in the SUN via " challonge " . Every Saturday .
Sunday Sunstroke via " challonge " . Every Sunday .
Game times are usually the same Sat & Sun . Usually 2:00 PM PST = 3:00 PM MST = 5:00 PM EST = 7:00 PM UK . Check in both @ " challonge " and @ "votscc " begin 1 hour prior .
Matches Feb 7 & 8 will begin at 12:00 PM MST = 7:00 PM UK to make a reasonable time for our UK friends . Back to regular times following that weekend .
Both events require registration @ " challonge " (free ) .http://challonge.com/
Registration @ http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/ . Used as the pre game check in prior to matches .
And as I have created a web page with the real time brackets running in front of you . The chat room is also there with every one to view the match ups , courses , and for each opponent to communicate with each other once the tournament has been started.
All matches are played in WGT (the only game in town ) .
Each match up must be able to talk with one and other to agree on who sets and invites while the other waits in the WGT lobby for the green invite .
E1 must be green (available ) and must use their WGT username to be able to accept and invite .
We just completed our 5th week , 10 tournaments . Not going to lie . It hasn't been easy . Gets better each week .
If you would be intersted in receiving invites for either Saturday or Sunday or both . Please let me know .
All sign ups , registrations , events are free and are non commiting in any way. With the exception of general politeness and sportsmanship in all events and regarding expectation that if signed up for an event . If unable to participate , some sort of heads up sometime prior to the event is requested .
Think about it . Let me know .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Feb 4 2015 3:30 PM
BTW my site is not affiliated , connected , related to WGT or WGT CC's in anyway .
I have quite a few members from other CC's and a few not in CC's .
No strings attached , no commitments . Only benefits . To access what ever features interest yourself now and as it expands and adds more in the future .
PDB1
AZWIZ
VOTSCC ( Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C )
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Feb 15 2015 9:57 PM
Hello . Looking for a CC ? Please take a look at ours . It is very unique and different . We are called Valley Of The SUN Casual Club . A small , growing , all tiers CC with gr8 CC tourneys and multiplayer tourneys on the weekends . We have a daily BLITZ every week day of the year . Other match play . stroke play and putting competitions .
We also have a free website with many interesting features .
Most of all the emphasis is to enjoy all the CC events above anything else .
Please just take a look . Thanx Paul
link to CC
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx
link to website
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Mar 1 2015 8:20 AM
We are so still in the building mode . Got a good group of guys now that at least play in our very cool CC tourneys . But that's about it . There are a handful of us that have created some other cool events ie, Saturday and or Sunday match, stroke , and alt shot tourneys via " CHALLONGE" embedded in my webpage so you can view the tournament live from the chat . Works out incredibly well . We also run a daily BLITZ . It is awesome . Last week a guy ROBMURPHY4 ( view scorecard @ http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/portal?pid=2 ) came within 11,000 points of having a 1,000,000 point week . Incredible and awesomely fun . Not to mention the improvement in ones accuracy playing a daily BLITZ .
But a handful of guys is just not enough . I am hoping i can encourage a few more of you who have a little more time and desire to play just a little more than just CC tourneys . Our events are already established , well,made , professional and fair .
I invite you to come and take a look at both our WGT CC and our awesome website
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx

http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/

Please just take a look . I am sure you will like what you see . I make no demands . I am just asking a little more interest in CLUB events . Not just CC tourneys .
Just to tell you up front . There are 3 requirements or conditions to join our CC .
1) Participate in CC tourneys no minimum but enough so I know you are there .
2) Message the owner ( me ) once in a while so I know you are alive . ( again no minimum just a respectful " hey buzz off " now and then . Ignoring is not tolerated .
3) Register in our free awesome website that has a little something for everyone .
That is it . We have a lot of fun . We are all good friends . And welcome you to take a look and see for yourself .
Thanx
Paul
PDB1
AZWIZ
VOTSCC
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Mar 1 2015 8:38 AM

Marco129:

Although I am a happy member of another country club, I think you guys did a wonderful job with your website/forum. Nicely done.
- Mark

Thank you Mark . It's about time I responded to you . lol . It hasn't been easy . Definitely many ups and downs . But we keep on keepin on . You are welcome to visit the website anytime . Utilize anything you like .

Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Mar 2 2015 7:22 PM

pdb1:

But a handful of guys is just not enough . I am hoping i can encourage a few more of you who have a little more time and desire to play just a little more than just CC tourneys . Our events are already established , well,made , professional and fair .
I invite you to come and take a look at both our WGT CC and our awesome website

I'm gonna bump a little more often . Hopefully more of you will come take a look . I am going to start the Spring Multiplayer , Multitournament Season soon . These will be a group of Saturday tourneys comprised of matchplay , strokeplay , alternate shot tournaments played via " CHALLONGE " on one of my webpages embedded with various ladder type brackets . These tourneys are just for fun for multiplayer enjoyment amongst players you soon know and respect . Not exclusive to our CC members . Any WGT member belonging to or not belonging to a WGT CC are encouraged to participate in these fun events .
I am currently recruiting and invite all to take a look at our CC and our website . (above) .
If you are only interested in being added to the invite list for the upcoming VOTSCC KICK ASS TOURS Spring Season Tournaments . Then please just message me and I will be in touch and make sure you get invites .
Thanx Paul
Racinray75
213 Posts Thu, Mar 5 2015 1:42 PM
Are you still accepting new members, would like to join.

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Mar 5 2015 4:29 PM
You're already in Ray . Welcome . Please enjoy .
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Mar 7 2015 8:36 PM
Saturday March 14 we are going to be starting a Spring multiplayer tournament schedule via challonge ( you must be registered there with your WGT username ) http://challonge.com/ . If you are interested . Please message me and I will see that you get an invite .
Thanx
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Mar 11 2015 9:02 PM
THIS IS THE SIGN UP PAGE
http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/GvlZYi1r0n
THIS IS THE BRACKET PAGE
http://challonge.com/3cljj023
WHICH CAN ALSO BE SEEN ON THE TOURNAMENT PAGE AND CHECKIN PAGE
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/portal?pid=2
WHICH IS ON Page 3 OF THE HOST WEBSITE
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/
LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE INTERESTED .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Apr 7 2015 12:43 AM
MAN AM I SLACKING . MY LAST BUMP HERE WAS ON 3-11 . FOUND IT ON PAGE 7 . LOL . ANYWAY . IT'S REAL SIMPLE . IT AINT EASY THAT'S THE FKN TRUTH . WE HAVE SOME GR8 GUYS , SOME GR8 PLAYERS , SOME GR8 TOURNEYS AND EVENTS . AND WITH ONLY 50 MEMBERS NOW . I STILL FEEL LIKE I AM THE ONLY ONE IN THE CC ALMOST . WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A VERY SMALL HANDFUL OF VERY DEDICATED , ACTIVE AND PERSONABLE GUYS I CAN'T GET SO MUCH AS A BOO ! FROM THE 40 SOMETHING OTHER MEMBERS .
THE DIFFERENCE NOW IS THAT ALL 50 PARTICIPATE IN THE CC TOURNEYS . TOOK A MONTH OF SUNDAYS AND THE REMOVAL OF 5 TIMES THAT MANY " NOT WANTING TO PARTICIPATE " MEMBERS TO GET TO THIS POINT .
I REALLY DON'T HAVE A NEED TO HAVE ANY PARTICULAR # OF MEMBERS . WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS MORE THAT DON'T MIND A LITTLE INTERACTION , A COMMENT , A SUGGESTION , A COMPLAINT , A QUESTION , A JOKE , POST , A HEY YOU , OR SOMETHING NOW AND THEN . MORE THAT WANT TO CREATE TOURNEYS . MORE THAT WILL PARTICIPATE IN MULTIPLAYER EVENTS ON A WEEKEND AFTERNOON . PLAY A DAILY BLITZ . HELP TO RECRUIT FOR THEIR CC .
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THAT REALLY HAPPENS . BUT A GUY CAN DREAM . RIGHT ?
BUT IN THE SLIGHT CHANCE THAT ANY OF THAT OR ALL OF THAT APPEALS TO YOU . THEN PLEASE CHECK OUT MY URL'S PASTED ALL OVER THESE PAGES AND SEE IF THE STUFF I MENTIONED ( which is seriously only the tip of the iceberg ) LOOKS LIKE THE KIND OF CC YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED WITH . PLEASE MESSAGE ME . LET ME KNOW YOUR INTENT . AND I WILL TELL YOU MINE .
IT'S ALL VERY SIMPLE . WE HAVE 3 CONDITIONS THAT ARE VERY SIMPLE TO JOIN OUR CC .
A) PLAY IN THE CC TOURNEYS . THERE IS NO MINIMAL # . E1 IS DIFFERENT . I SUGGEST THAT YOU PLAY ENOUGH FOR YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER AND PART OF A GR8 TEAM .
B) COMMUNICATE WITH THE OWNER . ME . JUST ENOUGH TO LET ME KNOW YOU ARE ALIVE . NO MAXIMUM THERE . SUGGESTED THAT YOU WOULD ALSO FRIEND AND PLAY ROUNDS WITH OTHER CC MEMBERS ( not required ) .
C) REGISTER IN OUR WEBSITE / FORUM . GR8 SOURCE FOR MANY THINGS . A WORK IN PROGRESS . A LOT OF WORK TO BE HONEST TO GET TO THIS POINT & JUST PART OF TRYING TO PROVIDE ALL MEMBERS WITH A GR8 CC EXPERIENCE .
THOSE 3 THINGS ARE REQUIRED BUT NOT MEANT TO BE RULES . SIMPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD HOPE ANYONE WOULD BE HAPPY TO OBLIGE .
OTHER THAN THAT . THERE ARE NO MINIMALS NO MINIMUMS NO EXPECTATIONS NO OBLIGATIONS .
EVERYTHING I WRITE OTHER THAN THE 3 CONDITIONS ARE ONLY HOPES .
WE HAVE GR8 TOURNEYS 20 TO 50 % PARTICIPATION AND MORE . ANYONE CAN MAKE ANY KIND OF TOURNEY THEY LIKE .
PERSONALIZED & CUSTOMIZED AWARDS AND TROPHY'S AND ACCOLADES . PATS ON THE BACK . PERSONALIZED CLUB LOGO'S ( if desired stricktly voluntary ).
WHATEVER . IT SOUNDS LIKE AN EXAGGERATION . LOL . BUT REALLY IT IS SO MUCH MORE THAN I DESCRIBED HERE . I REALLY DON'T EXPECT ANY HITS . BECAUSE ALL THE GR8 CC MEMBERS ARE ALREADY IN GR8 CC'S . I HAVE TO GIVE IT A SHOT . JUST ANOTHER APPROACH TO RECRUITMENT .
WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU .
May the SUN always be with you
Paul
PDB1
AZWIZ
VOTSCC
PLEASE MESSAGE ME . LET ME KNOW YOUR INTENT . AND I WILL TELL YOU MINE .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Apr 15 2015 6:08 PM
BUMP TIME
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Apr 19 2015 5:20 PM
The strongest small CC out there . Or close to it . We have 50 members . We are almost to level 9 . 15 members with 100,000 pts. or more . Have placed between 30th and 40th place in every CLASH . And we are all broke . We are proud of our #'s . We know we are strong and have a good start on building the CC even stronger . With the strength coming from only about 20 of our members . The balance just participate somewhat consistantly . We really need some more members that enjoy CC tourney play , friending other members , occasionally playing in other CC organized events , contribute to the forum . Being somewhat available for a response now and then . There are links on these pages to view our WGT CC and our forumation bonus forum / website with tons more available , more user friendly and has something for everyone . Please take a look . You are welcome to look and welcome to join .
Thank you Paul
May the SUN always be with you -
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Apr 25 2015 8:32 PM
TIME FOR A BUMP .
There is plenty of info on these pages about the WGT CC part of our CC . Not that much about the Website / Forum end of it .
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/ . Is the url for the homepage .
FORUM INDEX
1) 2015 NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS
2) ALL MEMBERS BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF

3) VOTSCC BEST OF REPLAYS
4) VOTSCC BEST OF HALL OF FAME
5) VOTSCC SITE & FORUM GUIDELINES
6) DON'T CHOKE IT " JOKE IT "
7) WGT GAME TIPS
FORUM OF HOW TO'S
9) CURRENT EVENTS & ANNOUNCEMENTS
10) RECENT TOURNEY WINNERS
11) DAILY BLITZ SCORES ONLY
12) BLITZ OFFICIAL RULES
13) SATURDAY MATCHPLAY SIGN UP
14) SUNDAY STROKEPLAY SIGN UP
15) FLASH MOB SIGN UP
16) FORUM FOR PAGE 3 & BRACKET INFO
17) PERFECT GOLF
18) ANYTHING ELSE ? (OFF THE WALL STUFF )
19) FORUM OF OLD WGT FORUM POST'S
20) CLASH RULES
21) CHALLENGING THE KING
22) THE MAGIC STAR
23) RISQUE AWAY AND MORE

This ( above ) is a list of the different Forums . Inside each forum is a plethora of topics and information .
- http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/portal?pid=2 Is the url to .Page 3 .
Our webpage with the embedded brackets we play through " CHALLONGE
" http://challonge.com/ . these brackets are live once the tournament starts . All participants meet in the chat below the bracket . There is more info on running our tournaments throughout the website .
Below the chat on Page 3 is the scorecards for our daily BLITZ . It runs every Mon thru Fri . It is GR8 fun .
These are just a few of the myriad of gr8 features events topics and forums available .
This is just the beginning as this is a work in progress still . All are welcome to join and especially welcome to contribute anything in anyway . Literally and seriously .
Thank you
Paul
PDB1
VOTSCC
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 3 2015 1:48 PM
It is time for another installment of the CC invites thread . So please read all of the previous threads .
Come take a look . If this is something you think you will enjoy . Then please message me ( personally ) wilth your intent . It hasn't payed off for me just to accept anyone who asks . But if you have something to say . Anything at all . Then we will gladly welcome you .
That is the " Recruiting Review Department of Directors " which consists of me , myself and I .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, May 12 2015 9:55 AM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, May 16 2015 2:46 PM

by **Paul** Thu 10 Aug 2023, 4:04 pm

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 17 2015 9:57 AM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, May 23 2015 10:53 AM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, May 25 2015 3:49 PM
Any players potentially looking for a strong up and coming CC with little expectations other than your desire to contribute in some way toward the success and future of your CC . We hope to increase by about 20 members soon . That should be enough to bring down the expected daily point average to a reasonable level in our quest to hit the 50th spot .
If you are looking for a CC please check out the links above and throughout these pages .They should give you a good idea of the versatility and user friendly events and activities that are part of our CC experience . We have an outstanding website / forum with many functions not available at WGT . Also a GR8 bunch of members who are your team mates and friends with a healthy competitive approach that encourages and supports e1 in the CC .
Please message me and let me know your intent . We must be able to communicate a little .I will then be happy to send you a CC invite . I'm just saying it is a GR8 CC and if you are looking ? What do you have to lose ? You of course are free to exit at anytime if it is not your cup of tea at this time . You would then always be welcome to return in the future .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, May 29 2015 11:23 AM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jun 6 2015 4:08 PM
Hello . Hope E1 is well this fine weekend . Time to do a little recruiting . Everything has already been said on these pages . Looking for some moderately to extremely active in a CC types . Any tier . Any gender . Anyone that can type their name . Play some CC tourneys . Read the CC forum . Have an opinion . Just to start .
Just read some of these threads . Send me a message . Let me know what's up .
Thanx
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Jun 9 2015 6:57 PM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jun 13 2015 10:28 AM
I just posted a new thread in Mass Poaching . Check it out . Last page .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Jun 17 2015 8:21 PM
Hi my name is Paul Bumper . Bumping is what I do .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jun 20 2015 4:34 PM
I you are looking to play well made CC tourneys . Tourneys for every tier with conditions that enable you to enjoy the match keep it challenging and make some putts , while honing your skills ,lowering your average , moving up in tiers. We have those And much more .
Please just message me . I will send you an invite .
Thank you
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jun 25 2015 2:57 PM
After you have read all of the above , checked out the links . The last thing to do is
GOOGLE THIS

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jun 25 2015 6:25 PM
the above is just a small part of the website that I have created as an extra bonus for our CC members and anyone else that happens across our forumotion site . One needs not be a member of our Valley of the SUN Casual Club to sign in and enjoy the many features and information found there . We have many members from other CC's and members not in CC's .
But enough of the website . Really not important and not the reason I am here in CC Corner . Recruitment of course is a priority of mine . Recruitment to our WGT CC . Valley of the SUN Casual Club . VOTSCC . It is an all tiers CC . We try to make tourneys to accomadate all levels . Interesting and challenging tourneys that allow one to hone their skills , lower their averages , move up in tiers .
After doing this for a while . I have learned a few things that help make a CC run a little better .
One of them is each WGT CC has a CC forum . In that forum . One will find massive amounts of very important information crucial to each members adventure and experience everyday at WGT . They will find out certain details about CC tournaments . Very important as there is nowhere else to post them . They will find out what kinds of matches count for lowering their average . What kind of matches do not count for lowering their average . And how to do it the most efficient way . They will find that if they do have a question . That if they post it in the CC forum . Many knowledgeable veteran CC members will be more than happy to answer them . One can find all types of game tips there . Make comments , complaints , jokes . And so much more .
What I have learned is that a CC runs much better with informed members . All members are willing to keep themselves current on CC activity by checking the forum on a regular basis . And on occasion , posting an Ok or an ugh , even just a fk you .
Communication is the key . Best feature one can offer .
There is so much more I can go on and on and on about . And I probably will soon .
If any of the above interests you . BTW there are a couple URL's throughout this thread you can check out .
I am only really concerned with our WGT CC . If you are . Please message me with your intent and I will send you a CC invite .
Thank you
Paul
May the SUN always be with you
robmurphy4
751 Posts Fri, Jun 26 2015 8:04 AM
If you are looking for a committed owner and a great CC then VOTSCC is a club you need to visit. Many different tournaments to help improve your game as well as provide great friendly competition. There are always members willing to offer advice or guidance if you ever need some. We also have a GREAT website that has volumes of information and entertainment for anyone who visits. I have the pleasure to be a member and would advise you to consider this club for your new home.
Rob
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jun 28 2015 8:43 PM
- p
  harry4364
  
  71 Posts
  
  04-07-2015 5:03 PM
  Paul,you always go above what anyone else would do to keep this cc alive.i myself have great respect for all you do.thanks harry4364.
- JimQ916
  
  415 Posts
  04-08-2015 11:22 AM
  
  Hey Paul...what Harry said...you go above and beyond what is required to run a great club...I can't thank you enough...JimQ916
- robmurphy4
  
  172 Posts
  04-08-2015 12:16 PM
  
  Paul,
  Like the others above me, thanks for all your time and effort. It does not go unnoticed.
  
  Rob
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jun 29 2015 3:43 AM
Just a couple more ways we try to keep it fun here in the Valley of the SUN Casual Club .

WHO HAS THE MAGIC STAR ? WHO POSSESSES THE KING ? ( as if I didn't know ).
These are two very fun in CC events that are a lot of fun .
The " KING " is a match play event where one CC member challenges the holder of the " KING " to a match play round . If the challenger is successful . They now possess the " KING" . And then should be available for other CC members to then challenge .

The " MAGIC STAR " is now the exact same except with stroke play challenge . The " MAGIC STAR " holder should make themselves available for any CC member to challenge them for the " STAR " in a stroke match of the challengers choice ( new rule challengers choice ) .

This is meant to be an on going fun challenge for all to participate in . The " KING " and the " Star "should be changing hands regularly and rotating throughout the CC .

This effort must be initiated by the CC members , in order for them to work , and be the fun challenges that they can be .

This is not new . How do the rest of you feel about this ? Please do not trip all over yourselves trying to hurry up and answer .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jul 2 2015 10:50 AM
Anybody looking ? Check us out . You can't go wrong .
Thank you
VOTSCC
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Jul 8 2015 8:12 AM
Speaking of comaraderie and tightness . Just two of the many positive adjectives that describes our CC .
It's very simple . Lol . ( one of my rare lies ) .
All you need is for about 400 things to fall into place in synche with every CC member . At the same time and you will have a very successful CC . Lol one can dream Right ?
I kid . We do alright . If you want to check us out . Please message me . In the mean time there are a couple URL's you can check out throughout this thread .
Thank you
PDB1
Paul
VOTSCC
Buddha248
54 Posts Sat, Jul 11 2015 5:36 AM
Country clubs are many. One this good is rare. Lot of tournaments and events . The leader of the pack Paul (PDB1) is an wizard of sorts with lots of ideas and works hard to make this an exceptional Country Club. Give us a try.

See ya on the links Dave (Buddha248)
JDShoemaker
209 Posts Sat, Jul 11 2015 10:41 AM
Paul works VERY hard to provide us with a fun CC. Lots of different kinds of of Tourneys, for all levels.
The club is small and consists of members who (usually) take the time to participate in our events.
I have belonged to a few other CC's but have been with this one for over a year, and dont plan on going anywhere else!
Come on by and gives is a trial run!

Shoe
Chris1973M
1,832 Posts Sat, Jul 11 2015 6:33 PM
If your in the market to join a great CC...this could be the place for you!..There is a great cc webpage to understand what is going on within the CC..along with some great tourney setters..there is always something different to do..for whatever interest you may have. Don't think you would be disappointed if gave us a look>>
Chris1973
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jul 17 2015 7:51 AM
Our invites don't have to be unwanted . Just give us a look . We have well made tourneys , friendly members , and other GR8 events , along with a very cool website .
club home

website
Just take a look . If you would like to see more . Message me and I will send you an invite .
Thanx
Paul

kishoph
2,978 Posts Sat, Jul 18 2015 2:05 AM
Great club plenty of tourneys, awards and good competition, give us a look.
JimQ916
9,914 Posts Sat, Jul 18 2015 7:03 AM
XXXXX
ArnieFinlay
376 Posts Sat, Jul 18 2015 7:30 AM
This is a great club I've been a member for about 9 months now
Plenty of interesting tournaments and friendly people If you aren't a member of this club and are looking to join then contact Paul. If you join he'll give you a free date with our cart girl Wanda
azdewars
607 Posts Sat, Jul 18 2015 8:06 AM
Hi there, my name is John (azdewars). I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I joined this club thinking it might be a good way to refine my game and have more fun doing it. They customize the conditions to suit our levels and play with players to have a good round playing against the course. You can create any tourney you like.We can also schedule tourneys to play together in. Current members are gr8 group of people from all over the globe who are there to help you with your game.
Please, dont take my word for it, take a peek yourself at the club and see for yourself the friendships that have been developed here, always with the members well-being in mind.
Again, my screen name is azdewars. Look me up, we'll play some golf and talk more if you want.
Thank-you in advance;
John (azdewars)

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jul 18 2015 8:22 AM
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Jul 21 2015 11:12 PM
This is our invite thread for our GR8 CC . Valley of the SUN Casual Club VOTSCC
Hi . Please take a look through the thread . Check out the links , read some testimonials . You will see some of what makes our CC unique . There is something for E1 . Have any questions ? Just message me . Would like an invite ? Again just message me I will shoot you an invite . Come on in take a look at our well made CC tourneys . Meet some of our outstanding members in an introduction in our CC forum .
Before you do that . You might as well check out our open to E1 website . That will keep you busy for a while . You don't even need to be a member of our CC to sign in the site . But you will probably want to anyway .
website
WGT homepage
Thanx
Paul
VOTSCC
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jul 24 2015 1:19 PM
jb6000:

Topless golf sounds Kool, I'll hit you up once I get kicked from the CC I'm in

No need to wait for that . Our website is open to all persons . There are many members in our website from other WGT CC's . many from no CC's . Some not even from WGT .
It is an available resource for anything and everything I can think of to include in it's awesome user friendly formats that allow so much more access and abilities , features , convenience than can be found in WGT .
You may sign in to our website at anytime . If at some point in the future you are available and interested in our WGT CC . You will be welcome either way .
In fact it is a very good idea to thoroughly browse through the website . It is not affiliated with WGT . Only a link is provide as is a link to WGTLS .
Only our WGT CC VOTSCC members are required to have membership in the site .
And even with that there no expectations , requirements , rules , minimums , restrictions once some one has registered . NONE .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jul 26 2015 12:14 AM
    Just can't say enough about our CC's tourney makers . They got it down . Always fun , interesting , changing in everyway , challenging .
Two more TL's this week . Tiered up almost all the way in this CC . Doesn't happen much maybe about 8 times . I can tell you they loved it and earned it . Our tourneys are just tough enough to keep them interesting and get a decent score . Rarely is a red tee ever seen here . They aren't necessary when our regular toueneys are as fun as they are .
We still have our Daily BLITZ " KICK ASS TOURS DESERT BLITZ "
view scorecards
http://valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk/portal?pid=2
   WE HAVE TWO NEW CUSTOM TOURNEYS " BEGINNERS EQUIPMENT ONLY "
   & " NO DRIVERS ALLOWED " you play with just wedges and irons .
ALL A LOT OF FUN .
MESSAGE ME IF YOU WANT MORE INFO OR YOU WANT TO CHECK IT OUT .
THANX
MStubblefield
104 Posts Sun, Jul 26 2015 6:56 AM
Hello Paul, this is Michael Stubblefield and i have been a member of wgt since March 2013. My name on wgt is MStubblefield, i am currently at level 90, tier=Master, i just became a master last weekend, its been a tough road to get there. I am currently a member of the Soaring Eagles CC.. I was looking at other county clubs and came across your and was Impressed with your website and all the things it has to offer people. I love this game and i want to grow with a county club, i play on here everyday, enter tourn, skill challenges, i want to really improve my game and i feel that this country club would give me that growth that i am looking for. You have a lot to offer and i would love to be part of it, I would love an Invite to your CC. What do i need to do to make this happen?
Thank you for your time in this matter,
MStubblefield
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jul 27 2015 9:27 AM
WONDER WHAT HE WANTED ?
It wasn't until he left and went back to his old CC right away that I noticed it was the same CC that had a guy that was saying that I booted fishrdav is in . Lol IDK & IDC WTF doubt it was coincidental . Maybe .
HE CAME HE SAW HE LEFT
by PDB1 Today at 22:08
Hello Paul, this is Michael Stubblefield and i have been a member of wgt since March 2013. My name on wgt is MStubblefield, i am currently at level 90, tier=Master, i just became a master last weekend, its been a tough road to get there. I am currently a member of the Soaring Eagles CC.. I was looking at other county clubs and came across your and was Impressed with your website and all the things it has to offer people. I love this game and i want to grow with a county club, i play on here everyday, enter tourn, skill challenges, i want to really improve my game and i feel that this country club would give me that growth that i am looking for. You have a lot to offer and i would love to be part of it, I would love an Invite to your CC. What do i need to do to make this happen?

Thank you for your time in this matter,

MStubblefield

pdb1
26 Jul 2015 @ 10:35 AM
"Hello Mike "
Hi Mike . Thank you for your response in CC Corner VALLEY of the SUN C C invites . Your interest is welcome . I sent you a friend invite . I will then be able to specifically address this . As the " Poaching Police " would have a field day with this . Not that I give 2 craps about them . You have a legitimate inquiry . So I will tell you that you must remove yourself from your current CC . Then I will gladly send you an invite . Look forward to that .
pdb1
26 Jul 2015 @ 10:01 PM
"I'm sorry"
Not to your liking ? That's Ok . Thx for looking .
Paul
May the SUN always be with you .

by **Paul** Thu 10 Aug 2023, 4:11 pm

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jul 30 2015 8:40 AM
The way I look at it . Is that alt shot with 3 other players and stroke games with 3 other players ( both especially if they are club members) are a good social round . The difference being that the stroke round counts toward your average and the alt shot doesn't . Socializing doesn't interfere with my concentration . In fact I try to step up the competition when the round counts . Playing multiplayer rounds amongst piers is a good test to what we work towards in our CC tourneys in solo play . IMHO .
Paul
It really is what we are all working toward ( I think ) is to be able to step up when playing our piers and be able to show what we can do . It is I think the hardest type of play . But a little funner amongst friends .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Aug 3 2015 12:28 PM
Don't have much to say today . Only that If you can read a CC forum and want to play well made CC tourneys that help you hone your skills , lower your average , move up in tiers . And like to play multiplayer alt shot , stroke , BLITZ , and CTTH amongst your fellow CC members that all are friended . Then those and so much more are an everyday option here at Valley of the SUN Casual Club .
The best way to get an invite is to message me and tell me that you are interested . I will send you an invite .
I find that if we have one communicative exchange at the start . It eliminates a cat and mouse game just for an introduction .
Paul
xdout
535 Posts Mon, Aug 3 2015 3:55 PM
are you still accepting members, I would like to join your club
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Aug 4 2015 5:05 AM

xdout:

are you still accepting members, I would like to join your club

Sure thing X . You are in . Please enjoy .
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Aug 4 2015 5:08 AM

pdb1:

Any players potentially looking for a strong up and coming CC with little expectations other than your desire to contribute in some way toward the success and future of your CC . We hope to increase by about 20 members soon .
If you are looking for a CC please check out the links above and throughout these pages .They should give you a good idea of the versatility and user friendly events and activities that are part of our CC experience . We have an outstanding website / forum with many functions not available at WGT . Also a GR8 bunch of members who are your team mates and friends with a healthy competitive approach that encourages and supports e1 in the CC .
Please message me and let me know your intent . We must be able to communicate a little .I will then be happy to send you a CC invite . I'm just saying it is a GR8 CC and if you are looking ? What do you have to lose ? You of course are free to exit at anytime if it is not your cup of tea at this time . You would then always be welcome to return in the future .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Aug 4 2015 10:06 PM
It is time for another installment of the CC invites thread . So please read all of the previous threads .
Come take a look . If this is something you think you will enjoy . Then please message me ( personally ) wilth your intent . It hasn't payed off for me just to accept anyone who asks . But if you have something to say . Anything at all . Then we will gladly welcome you .
That is the " Recruiting Review Department of Directors " which consists of me , myself and I
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Aug 9 2015 11:01 PM
Hottest time of the year . Especially in the Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C .
We will heat up your game with our well made tourneys . Get that burning desire back .
Catch those links on fire as you tear up the courses .
What it boils down to is we are the cure to that cold streak .
Light a fire under your ass and shoot me a hot message to light you up .
I will send you an invite in a flash .
alosso
20,973 Posts Sat, Aug 15 2015 7:44 AM
Having overlooked this thread until today, all I can say is
Kudos Paul - you are hot!
Continue your work for your CC!!
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Aug 15 2015 9:00 PM

alosso:

Having overlooked this thread until today, all I can say is
Kudos Paul - you are hot!
Continue your work for your CC!!

Well Thank you very much . I take the CC and our members very seriously . We have a gr8 thing going . It is kicking my ass that's for sure .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Aug 15 2015 9:11 PM
Well I just sent out 32 invites via the tournament leader boards . I send out 32 to members not in CC's . They had something that set them apart from the way over 200 profiles that I viewed and elected not to invite . These 32 had 4 or more friends .
The majority 94 % of WGT tournament participants and members on the leader boards . Are a completely different sort than I knew existed here until a couple years ago . Almost all of them have been playing consistently here for 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , years and do not have 1 friend . I am so perplexed by this . Just seems so unfathomable .
I have extended our invitation to hundreds of them in the past . No luck . Just aren't going to be good fits for a CC . So now I do not invite them .
I have a question though . Has anyone thought of any other mass listings with possible non CC members that might be better candidates ? Probably not .
Here is our main invite thread
- VALLEY of the SUN C C invites
- Here is our homepage
- http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx
- Here is the bonus site for everything else
  
  https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
- Check us out . It won't hurt I promise .

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Aug 23 2015 2:07 AM
Hi . Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C . VOTSCC . Is a lot of things . Mostly all good . Friendly members that will welcome you , friend you , play rounds with you , back you up for any reason . Our tourneys are made by various tiered members that make various tiered tourneys that are just challenging and hard enough to stay interesting . But enjoyable and enable you to hone your skills , lower your average , move up in tiers .
We have stroke and CTTH brackets running all the time . A daily BLITZ every week day . Custom tourneys requiring you to use beginner equipment only , or no drivers allowed . And other events too .
Also a bonus website with many features not available in WGT . If you are looking for a CC to check out or looking for a change . Please consider trying us out . If you don't like it , just exit . We would be happy to have you .
Please message me so we can start to establish a line of communication . Let me know you would like to see what the deal is here . I will be happy to send you an invite .
Thank you . Look forward to hearing from you .
robmurphy4
751 Posts Sun, Aug 23 2015 7:15 AM
If you are reading this your new home is just one wall message away. Contact Paul, complete the VERY easy enrollment and let the fun begin. We are a small club that has everything any of the "big" guys have except an attitude. You will be welcomed by friendly members who want to play rounds. Plenty of great tourney choices. No XP chasing or crazy playing requirements. Just a great group, that wants to interact with each other. I hope to see you on our roster soon.
Rob
Bertasion
343 Posts Sun, Aug 23 2015 7:16 AM
It was not very long ago that I accepted Paul's invitation to join VOTSCC and I am very glad that I did. This is a great group of guys, very active, a lot of tournaments, etc. Did I say a great group of guys? I have played matches with several of the members in my short time and I had a very enjoyable time each and every time. This is a very friendly, active club. Brian
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Sep 1 2015 5:57 PM
Valley of the SUN Casual Club is our name . And casual and fun and active is the best way to describe us ..
CLASH # 7
Despite all the moral and exploitive issues that the CLASH represents . We at VOTSCC cannot resist the event . Always going all in , in every CLASH . Always having more fun doing it than almost anything else we have done here at WGT .
In the first 6 CLASHES we surprised ourselves each time with some how outscoring many big CC's and finishing in the top 30 & 40 in each one .
CLASH # 7 was no exception . With 62 % of our little 43 member CC participating . We had a blast again . Winning a lot and finishing # 17 overall . To us , that was a first place win . We don't even want any prizes that are not given out anyway . GR8 experience and uplifter for the CC in general .
We have a casual , friendly and competitive , active , & real and unique CC going on here .
We welcome others that just like to be part of casually active and fun group here at WGT .
Please come check us out . Message me so we can meet . I will be happy to send you an invite .
Thank you
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Sep 4 2015 8:50 PM
Hello to anyone who passes by . If you have a few minutes . Please scan through these pages and read what we are trying to do here . Click on a couple links . If it grabs your interest . Please message me . We can meet . I will be happy to send you an invite .
Thank you
Paul
VOTSCC
robmurphy4
751 Posts Sat, Sep 5 2015 9:34 AM
Hi Future VOTSCC member,
I say this because you can find what you are looking for in our CC. Tiered tourneys, Bracket Challenges, Daily Blitzes, Open communication with positive owner, fellow members who will friend and play matches with you. Add to that a Great website outside of WGT that is full of fun, informative and interesting areas. Take a look, and send Paul a message. I look forward to meeting you.
Rob
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Sep 7 2015 7:41 AM
Happy Labor Day Americans . And greetings to the rest of the world .
This may be a good day for you to consider joining our CC . Valley of the SUN Casual Club . VOTSCC . We would be happy to accept members that are looking for an environment that includes yourself .
You will be respected , all voices are heard and welcome equally .
We like to play multi player matches amongst CC members . Stroke and Alt Shot . We have well made CC tourneys . Which include custom matches such as "Beginners Equipment Only " or " No Drivers Allowed " .
We also run a daily BLITZ every Monday through Friday . Other fun events from time to time .
Here is a link to our Home page
Homepage
Here is a link to our website , a very cool bonus that has something for everyone
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
If this looks like a CC you might be interested in . Please just message me so we can meet . I will gladly send you an invite
Thanx
Paul
PDB1
VOTSCC
May the SUN always be with you
robmurphy4
751 Posts Thu, Sep 10 2015 6:10 AM
Kick is up its good. Bump to the top
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Sep 10 2015 4:20 PM

Bumpity Bump . Hello . Please read the preceding couple of pages . Come take a look at our CC .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Sep 20 2015 5:56 PM
Everything couldn't be running smoother these days in our CC . The best it has ever been . You can find out more by reading this thread or send me a message if you would like an invite . Check us out for a day or a week . See what we are about . I am sure you will be pleased .
Paul
PDB1
VOTSCC

JimQ916
9,914 Posts Mon, Sep 21 2015 9:48 AM
XXXXX
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Oct 3 2015 1:05 PM
Thank you Jim . Jim is our head Tournament Director . He is on it . Tourneys have never run better . We always have a mix of tiered tourneys that are always challenging and fun . Everyone plays , so the fields are big . Everyone encourages each other in our CC . We are all on the same team . One small example is the CLASHES . When they started we surprised ourselves by finishing in the top 30 and 40 . For such a small CC that is pretty good . CLASH # 7 & # 8 . Were able to finish # 17 & # 16 overall . And we are broke . So that just shows what we can do as a team . Very proud of our CC .
If you are looking to join a CC that is friendly and accessible . If you want to work on your game . And play some multi player matches with CC members . This might be a good CC for you to check out . Please message me . Have a little chat . I will be happy to send you an invite .
Thank you
Paul
PDB1
VOTSCC
playing outside the CC with CC members in multiplayer matches is only an option . Not required . Friending and being friendly is required though .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Oct 5 2015 10:38 AM
bumps and boobs
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Oct 16 2015 11:16 AM
Hi again . Time for another promo . So I will make it brief .
Please take a quick look through the previous pages in this thread .
We are a simple 50 member CC . Who's members like and play the well made CC tourneys .
We keep current in the CC forum . Everyone has a say and all viewpoints are welcome and respected .
On top of the regular CC tourneys . There are always stroke and CTTH brackets going . Some for credits some not .
There is a daily BLITZ Mon thru Fri . That starts its 46th week Oct 19th .
Other interesting custom CC tourneys . Like " BEGINNERS EQUIPMENT ONLY " . Where you play with all starters clubs and balls .
" NO DRIVERS ALLOWED " . Where you play with wedges on down .
Always welcome to try other formats from anyone .
Many of us enjoy multiplayer stroke and alt shot games together a couple times a week .
We have many GR8 members from all tiers . Gr8 bunch of people .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/ is our bonus website . Only there to utilize or enjoy as you wish .
If these features are something you are looking for in a CC . All of the above is just the basics evereryday way things run at VOTSCC . Please come take a look . Message me . I will send you an invite .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Oct 17 2015 12:05 AM
Please read through this thread .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Oct 26 2015 8:43 PM
If you look through this thread . You will find some interesting posts throughout . Please read . We are always looking for good CC members . Look us up .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
is our bonus website . just for fun and info and anything else .
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx
is our WGT CC homepage
kmamjmemedmmm
477 Posts Fri, Oct 30 2015 10:16 PM
Hello possible VOTSCC member. My name is Kevin. I joined VOTSCC about a year ago. I was a Tour Master...due to the strong tournaments and strong players in the CC which provides tough competition, This CC helped me get to Champion Tier.recently. I would not of made it if I was not in this CC. Our Leader..Paul and his board work endlessly so the members of VOTSCC has tournaments to play, reminders when tournaments start and end. We have computer class led by John. If you want to improve your level of play and have fun doing it...This is the CC for you. Hope to see you in our CC/Family.

Kevin
acetate
101 Posts Wed, Nov 11 2015 5:38 AM
Come to the Valley of the Sun!
Where the membership is smaller so that you will know all of your teammates.
Where there are always a variety of tournaments from which to choose.
Where your tier doesn't matter. From Amateur to Champion all are welcome.
Where the membership is friendly and helpful.
I have found my home in the Valley of the Sun. I know you will too.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Nov 21 2015 10:17 AM

acetate:
Where the membership is smaller so that you will know all of your teammates.

Yes we're on a first name basis.

acetate:
Where there are always a variety of tournaments from which to choose.

Tiered tourneys so you won't feel outmatched .

acetate:
Where your tier doesn't matter. From Amateur to Champion all are welcome.

All members are equal through and through .

acetate:
Where the membership is friendly and helpful.

Just ask , if we don't know it , we will find it .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Dec 19 2015 12:17 AM
In one more day it will have been 1 month since I updated this thread . Not that it is not important . It is and especially if it successfully gets the interests of some good CC members .
VALLEY OF THE SUN CASUAL CLUB
VALLEY OF THE SUN WEBSITE

by **Paul** Sun 13 Aug 2023, 1:06 am

pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Dec 23 2015 10:23 AM
If you are looking for something different to bring in the New Year . A place with a little structure . Enough to allow for a lot of fun . Then VOTSCC is the CC to consider .
Please read through these pages . Click a few links . Give us a try . What we offer is
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Dec 31 2015 10:35 PM
WE AT VOTSCC WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND TO ALL A WISH FOR A SAFE AND VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL IN WGT CC'S AND THROUGHOUT .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jan 2 2016 6:56 PM
VALLEY OF THE SUN CASUAL CLUB C C
WELCOMES YOU TO 2016
If you are considering A CC . Or just a change of pace . VOTSCC is a CC you could consider . We are 36 members strong . Mostly upper tiers , a few lower . All tiers are welcome . We have well made tourneys . A Stroke and a CTTH bracket running all the time . A daily Blitz , occasional Challonge bracket tourneys , good people , a very cool website . An environment to make you feel right at home . A comfortable place to work on your game , hone your skills , lower your average , move up in tiers .
I in particular am looking for more players that enjoy multi player matches among CC members . Alt shot and or Stroke . For fun . Mostly in the evenings . But anytime one has a little time .
Please browse through these pages . Read a little . Click a couple links . Come give us a try .
Thank you
Paul
homepage
website
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jan 3 2016 10:00 PM

pdb1:
I in particular am looking for more players that enjoy multi player matches among CC members . Alt shot and or Stroke . For fun . Mostly in the evenings . But anytime one has a little time .

But that's only the beginning . In 2016 my focus will be on recruits that share similar CC based interest as I .
Other formats and events that I will be emphasizing are our
" VOTSCC KICK ASS TOURS WEEKEND FUN IN THE SUN EVENTS "
Which are hosted by our CC from time to time . They are multi player Stroke Play , Match Play , and Alternate Shot bracket tournaments via http://challonge.com/ .
Who's brackets are embedded and played live on a portal page in our website by way of our chat box directly below the live bracket . All information on the brackets , match ups , courses , rounds etc are right there running live in front of you .
The games are all played in WGT of course . The only game in town . So you meet in the pre game chat . Once the tourney starts . You look up , see who your opponent is , then you chat right then with your opponent and agree to who invites and sets the match , the other waits in the lobby to accept the invite , play the match , come back to the chat , record the rounds from right there , watch the bracket change to the next round and the winners move on ( single elimination ) ( in double elimination you watch the losers bracket change as well ) . Right on through to the finals where a Grand Champion is crowned .
These are extremely fun . Tried and tested . I have hosted 20 of them .
I also am looking for new players that enjoy the CC vs CC interplay clash formats through out WGT .
Another couple of events that I have incorporated into our CC are :
" THE MAGIC STAR " and " THE KING "
These are in CC challenges . " THE MAGIC STAR " is the Stroke Play Challenge . The champ the holder of the Star must accept Stroke challenges from the challenger on the course choice of the challenger . If the challenger defeats the champ . There is a new champ and holder of the MAGIC STAR and will be posted on the champs wall . Until that champ is challenged and defeated .
" THE KING " is the Match Play cousin to the Star . The King must accept challenges from seekers of The King . The course of choice of the challenger and the champ must relinquish the thrown upon defeat . The King will then be posted on the new champs wall .
These are both fun events . Intended to keep members active as the Crowns travel throughout the CC .
Next is our VOTSCC DESERT BLITZ . A daily Mon - Fri BLITZ event that plays 25 BLITZ courses in 5 weeks . This is another fun event in which one has the whole 24 hours to play the course of the day in BLITZ single player mode . Play as many times as you want until you get the score that you like . Then you post that score . I add all the scores to the scorecard each evening . This is an addicting event that is fun and helps improve your accuracy at the same time . Like everything else in our CC it is competitive only at a friendly level . We are all on the same team . And support and back each other up at all times . There are daily high scores , weekly totals , and season totals .
Here are some links for the above mentioned events .
For rules and procedures regarding weekend challonge events .
click here Page 2 to view the live brackets and the chat click here Page 3 .
For more general info and accounts of past tourneys click here FORUM FOR PAGE 3 & SAT & SUN BRACKETS & TOURNEY INFO HERE
For more about the Magic Star click here  WHAT IS THE MAGIC & STAR WHO HAS THE MAGIC STAR ?

For The King click here  WHAT IS THE KING & WHO IS THE KING ?
Forum for interplay matches click here VOTSCC INTERPLAY CC VS CC MATCHES
To learn more about how to play our BLITZ click here  " HOW TO PLAY OUR BLITZ
For a list of the past 10 seasons scorecards of VOTSCC DESERT BLITZ click here Page 3 scroll down below the chat .
For a list of all past BLITZ season , daily course high scores for all seasons . click here  VOTSCC DESERT BLITZ COURSE HIGH SCORES FOR ALL SEASONS

People that after playing any awesome CC tourney , or one of our stroke and or ongoing CTTH brackets ( 90 successful in a row ) . Or whatever if any round you play your "XP" round in . ( Ive come to find that many people won't even talk to some one until they have played their " X P " round) . Lol . whatever .
If after that . You think you are one that would enjoy and participate in some of these unique VOTSCC events . Then please message me . We can talk .
Thank you
Paul
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/ Is the url to our incredible website . This website is free to all to use in any way . For information , tutorials , how to's , links , jokes and humor , videos and pics , a lot of different information . Something for everyone .
Anyone can sign in there are no expectations , no minimums , nothing required . We have members from other CC's , members not in CC's , non WGT members .
It is preferred that you use your WGT username if you register . There are a couple reasons for that . One of them being that WGT is linked to challonge through your username . If you play one of our tourneys I can send notifications . And it is easier to figure out who you are when I'm making a roster .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jan 4 2016 9:55 PM
bumps and boobs
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Jan 6 2016 8:55 AM
If after reading the above post . Scanning through the entire thread here . You are thinking ? This can't be . This is too good to be true . There is something this guy isn't telling us . Then you would be right . Honestly it would take a book to explain the ins and outs the ups and downs of the journey in CC building .
We definitely have a different approach than most . The following link is our guidelines . Something I usually reserve for potential members . But is no secret . So now you will know the beginning of the story .
VOTSCC RULES AND GUIDLINES FOR MEMBERS
If any of this interests you . Please message me . So we can chat . If you like I will send you an invite .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jan 7 2016 10:03 AM
This would be a good time to read through our thread here . Consider some alternatives . Despite my ramblings . I'm a decent guy that has good thing going here .
Give us a trial run . You may leave at anytime . Without so much as a word . I'm thinking you may like our diversity , friendliness . personable members . On top of our cool formats and events .
But whether you join or not . Please keep keep our website URL for future reference or possible Challonge events . https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
Which BTW we are hosting a match play event Saturday January 30 2016 at 12:00 PM MST . Always free , always fun , always an adventure . If you have a http://challonge.com/ account already . And are interested . I do not have a sign up page or a check in . I handle all the admin . Just let me know your challonge registered name . I will add you to the bracket and send you details and an invite .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jan 8 2016 11:09 AM

pdb1:
BTW we are hosting a match play event Saturday January 30 2016 at 12:00 PM MST . Always free , always fun , always an adventure . If you have a http://challonge.com/ account already . And are interested . I do not have a sign up page or a check in . I handle all the admin . Just let me know your challonge registered name . I will add you to the bracket and send you details and an invite .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jan 10 2016 5:23 PM

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jan 16 2016 9:51 AM
Just a reminder that we are having a small Match Play Tournament on Saturday Jan 30 .
12:00 PM MST . If you are familiar with Challonge events and would like to join in the fun .
Please contact me
This is the Challonge bracket link .http://challonge.com/qm3q0y6c
This is the link for the actual Tournament .https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/portal?pid=2
There is no sign up page or Challonge precheck in . I handle all admin .
Thank you
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Jan 20 2016 8:14 PM
We are VOTSCC : " Valley of the SUN Casual Club "

Hi . If you have a little time . Please read through these pages . Click on a couple links . Come give us a try . Anyone is welcome .
Thank you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Jan 27 2016 11:23 AM
bumps and boobs
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jan 29 2016 7:49 AM
Okay . It's still January and you haven't made that change , or you are still undecided .
You may as well do something . Right ?
Why not check out a few CC's ? You can join one . Check out the program , meet some members .
Then quit . Go try another one . Do it again if you like . Weigh the checks and balances , the advantages and disadvantages and make a a decision based on the type of environment that suits you best .
In our CC you really get a welcome . You are introduced in the CC forum . All members welcome you in their own way . lol .
Fairly soon afterwards you are fully involved . Just like you had always been there .
So it's not always that easy just to leave to go check out another CC .
But we make your exit polite and we always leave an open door for you to, return at any time .
This goes for members that have been removed as well . If they have a change of heart . And want to come back home and want to play a little better with others . They are also welcome .
We have several in fact many 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 time return members .
You might join and just stay . It will be obvious that we are different and we are the environment that you have needed and wanted all along .
I promise it won't hurt .
What have you got to lose ?
Paul
VOTSCC
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jan 29 2016 11:09 PM
bumps and boobs
CrustyDemon1
657 Posts Tue, Feb 2 2016 1:35 AM
In my time at WGT, Ive come and gone from many CCs.
This one is the real deal.
I have never seen a CC owner work so hard to make his CC a success as much as Paul does.
He puts so much into it that it's a given that members will benefit.
He has a small core of support as well, that are willing to help in any way they can...and this CC WILL make a difference for you...regardless of level or tier.
Come try us out...what have you got to lose?
You won't regret it.
Kelly :-}
JimQ916
9,914 Posts Sat, Feb 6 2016 7:27 AM
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pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Feb 8 2016 9:01 PM
Thank you Kelly and Jim .
Two GR8 members . Like many always involved and eager . Ready with knowledge and assistance .
Any one is welcome to join . Any tier , any level . Everyone is equal with the same voice and respect as any other member , always .
We are all just regular people and players in a Casual Club .
Come see for yourself .
Valley of the SUN Casual Club .
homepage
website
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Feb 10 2016 8:04 AM
Are you coming ?
Chris1973M
1,832 Posts Wed, Feb 10 2016 2:45 PM

pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Feb 10 2016 3:21 PM
LOL . Now how nice is that . Thank you Chris . CC's helping other CC's . With friends like that . There may be hope in this world yet .
Chris1973M
1,832 Posts Wed, Feb 10 2016 3:39 PM
You helped me first Paul..just wanted to show a kind thank you buddy!
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Feb 13 2016 10:05 AM
Anytime Chris . Good luck .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Feb 13 2016 10:52 AM
Now back to business . Valley of the SUN Casual Club . Our CC .
A CC that is in need of some members that like to have input in their CC forum . Whether it be to provide information or answer questions , Inquire about something . Comment your views and opinions on any matter fully no matter what your stance on an issue is . Expect others to reply and give input and maybe opposing views on any subject . Always being fully respected by all . And in turn showing the same respect to all members .
This type of member is what we are seeking always .
Another objective of ours is to recruit players that enjoy meeting and friending fellow CC mates . For several reasons . To get to know one another a little better . Also to enjoy some rounds with members of any format , mostly social and allowing some time daily or weekly in which to do so .
The above two types of members are the focus for our recruitment these days . Very seriously as I / we feel that these are areas that help make a CC successful .
We already have well made CC tourneys that have no problem with high participation including " Starters Equipment Only " and " No Drivers Allowed " . Custom tourneys .
Other events like stroke and CTTH brackets .
A daily BLITZ . ( 25 courses )
A Skills series CTTH challenge ( 35 courses )
A 16 player interplay team for CC vs CC CLASHES
In CC stroke and match play challenges where members challenge the holder of the titles for the title . The winner posts the titles on their walls until they are defeated .
We also host periodic VOTSCC KICK ASS TOURS WEEK END FUN IN THE SUN EVENTS . these are very fun bracket tournaments of all formats . Played on
http://challonge.com/ brackets that are embedded live in our website .
All tiers are welcome .
All of these events are fun and challenging and are just part of the experience of excellent formats for players to refine their skills , lower their averages , move up in tiers while here in VOTSCC .
Premium and credit tourneys are and can be made . But are not our focus .
We need more players that want to be part of a group of alike players that enjoy interacting as well as seriously working on their game .
I encourage you to consider our CC seriously . We need some more players and I know that we can fill the needs of many that aren't getting what we offer .
The best way to find out more is to message me and ask anything . I will answer you and be happy to fill you in . If you like what you hear . I will be happy to send you an invite .
our homepage
our website
Please read through some of the pages in this thread and click on a link or two .
Thank you
Paul
VOTSCC
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Feb 14 2016 8:58 PM
CC seeking members . This is as good a time as any . Come check us out .
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Feb 17 2016 6:05 PM
Ive been hitting the Tournament Leader Boards to try and recruit . But I would rather not .
I would like some members that have friends , that want friends , and don't have a problem posting in the CC forum .
I'm sure you will like the CC tourneys and events . But that is so boring . If you want to be a little more involved than just playing rounds . Then Please come check us out .
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx
Read this thread first please . See if this is what you are looking for .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Feb 25 2016 5:19 PM
If you haven't stopped by this thread before . Please take the time to read through it .
We are a strong , small , serious , friendly , growing CC . Interested in personable members from any tier . That think they would like a CC . that encourages a little more . Like CC member multi player rounds , custom tourneys , daily blitzes , skills challenges , and active CC forum .

pdb1:

Now back to business . Valley of the SUN Casual Club . Our CC .
A CC that is in need of some members that like to have input in their CC forum . Whether it be to provide information or answer questions , Inquire about something . Comment your views and opinions on any matter fully no matter what your stance on an issue is . Expect others to reply and give input and maybe opposing views on any subject . Always being fully respected by all . And in turn showing the same respect to all members .
This type of member is what we are seeking always .
Another objective of ours is to recruit players that enjoy meeting and friending fellow CC mates . For several reasons . To get to know one another a little better . Also to enjoy some rounds with members of any format , mostly social and allowing some time daily or weekly in which to do so .
The above two types of members are the focus for our recruitment these days . Very seriously as I / we feel that these are areas that help make a CC successful .
We already have well made CC tourneys that have no problem with high participation including " Starters Equipment Only " and " No Drivers Allowed " . Custom tourneys .
Other events like stroke and CTTH brackets .
A daily BLITZ . ( 25 courses )
A Skills series CTTH challenge ( 35 courses )
A 16 player interplay team for CC vs CC CLASHES
In CC stroke and match play challenges where members challenge the holder of the titles for the title . The winner posts the titles on their walls until they are defeated .
We also host periodic VOTSCC KICK ASS TOURS WEEK END FUN IN THE SUN EVENTS . these are very fun bracket tournaments of all formats . Played on
http://challonge.com/ brackets that are embedded live in our website .
All tiers are welcome .
All of these events are fun and challenging and are just part of the experience of excellent formats for players to refine their skills , lower their averages , move up in tiers while here in VOTSCC .
Premium and credit tourneys are and can be made . But are not our focus .
We need more players that want to be part of a group of alike players that enjoy interacting as well as seriously working on their game .
I encourage you to consider our CC seriously . We need some more players and I know that we can fill the needs of many that aren't getting what we offer .
The best way to find out more is to message me and ask anything . I will answer you and be happy to fill you in . If you like what you hear . I will be happy to send you an invite .
our homepage
our website
Please read through some of the pages in this thread and click on a link or two .
Thank you
Paul
VOTSCC
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Mar 6 2016 9:55 PM
This would be a good time to read through our thread here . Consider some alternatives . Despite my ramblings . I'm a decent guy that has good thing going here .
Give us a trial run . You may leave at anytime . Without so much as a word . I'm thinking you may like our diversity , friendliness . personable members . On top of our cool formats and events .
But whether you join or not . Please keep keep our website URL for future reference or possible Challonge events . https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
There is a lot of helpful and off the wall information there . Open to all to utilize .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Mar 20 2016 7:37 PM
Here are some of the posts I have made . To try and generate some recruitment .
Some of them are pretty corny .
ARE YOU A SMALL STRUGGLING CC ?
It looks like introductions and invites to .............
Valley of the Sun Casual Club
A PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GR8 AND THE TOURNEYS ARE ....
TIME TO SERIOUSLY LOOK A OUR CC
If you have a good air conditioner
Join the most NonExclusive Cub on ..............
Country Club Corner » Joining a country club
MAKING THE TURN
There are more .
andyson
6,415 Posts Tue, Mar 22 2016 9:32 AM

pdb1:
Here are some of the posts I have made . To try and generate some recruitment .

Its fairly obvious all that posting ain't working......

pdb1:
ARE YOU A SMALL STRUGGLING CC ?

That post says just 5 months ago in October your CC was at 50 members and today your CC is at 29.

Just an observation Paul. I'm not being critical. I am suggesting you re-think your recruiting methods.
Obviously there are CCs not having recruiting trouble. Perhaps those owners will read this and offer their tips. If you're open to their ideas.

by **Paul** Sun 13 Aug 2023, 1:14 am

pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Mar 22 2016 4:43 PM

andyson:
That post says just 5 months ago in October your CC was at 50 members and today your CC is at 29.

Yes the CC membership has fluctuated Many times over the last two years . From 0 to 90 to 50 to 30 to 70 to 50 to 30 .

andyson:
I am suggesting you re-think your recruiting methods

My recruiting methods are the same as everyone elses . The two most successful methods are hitting the leader boards and any other members not already in CC's with invites both on their walls and by clicking the invite to CC button And the other being word of mouth .
Anyone knows that posting in CC Corner is not going to generate a lot of response . Only CC owners go there to bump their threads .

andyson:
Obviously there are CCs not having recruiting trouble.

Well that is certainly not true for most CC's . There are a few that have some luck recruiting . But generally from what most CC's report . Not only is there no good access to members not in CC's . But recruitment is just plain slow to nill for almost all CC's ( like 98 % )and a complete pain in the ass .
I do not have as much of a recruitment problem as I do finding members that will communicate . There are many players here that just want to keep to themselves . Those are not a good fit for our CC . So I remove them . .
Basically most members that are good CC members . Are already in CC's . And have been for a long time . Dedicated to their CC's for the most part and not planning on going anywhere . Lol . Until they decide to move on .
I try every method that I have heard of .

andyson:
Perhaps those owners will read this and offer their tips. If you're open to their ideas.

I am so open to anyone that feels like sharing some information with me . I learn stuff everyday . The more the merrier .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Apr 2 2016 8:47 AM
Hi potential WGT members interested in a CC . Or maybe a change of pace . My name is Paul . I run Valley of the SUN Casual Club . We are different . Please take a look .

WGT CC Homepage
https://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446

Independent Website
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

The previous pages have a lot of gr8 information regarding what we are trying to do . What have been some of the road blocks . And a lot of comments from all directions .
We definitely have it together . We know what we are doing . We have a good thing going .
Membership has been up and down over the years . There are many reasons for that . We never give up . We always have fun . We are always trying to build and grow . We need good members that among other things , want to know and be in a CC .
Please take a look at this thread and click on some, links . And pay us a visit .

Thank you

VOTSCC

_________________
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Apr 5 2016 7:04 PM
It is April 2016 alfknready . Man , time flies .
And in my neverending quest to grow and build our CC . Which also means continually coming back here to CC Corner to once again promote Valley of the SUN Casual Club .
Even though recruiting and growing and building is slower than molasses in January .
Our CC . It's members and myself are die hards for keeping things rolling .
We still have GR8 tourneys and events for all tiers and levels . Made at any format for you to work on your game , hone your skills , lower your average , move up in tiers . All with a GR8 bunch of players from all tiers . That will encourage you and support you the whole way . Friendly and approachable .
We also like to play matches with each other . That still being one of the hardest formats to pull off in WGT . Sending and accepting invites from and to the players you want to play with . We don't claim to have the answer to that . But the more that try and want that . The more likely it is to happen .
We also have CC bracket tourneys . We have a daily BLITZ . We have CTTH Skills challenge .
In CC stroke and match play titles for members to challenge members all the time .
Custom CC tourneys like " Beginners Equipment Only " and " No Drivers Allowed "
Most all events are free and just for fun . But Premium tourneys are welcome as well .
Our homepage is
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446
And our free and just for fun and info and anything else for all to enjoy with no ties to WGT or our CC website is
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

Please read more throughout these pages . Visit the website . Dig into some of the forums . Enjoy . Give us a try . If it isn't what you are looking for . You can move on . And you will have made a few new friends in the process .
Thank you
Paul
VOTSCC
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Apr 10 2016 8:43 AM
We are still looking for players . Right now with 28 members . 28 very good members . We still need more members of different interests to continue with some of our formats .
Good members do not have all the same interests . They do not have to like or even participate in every thing we present .
For instance . We have 13 on Team VOTSCC INTERPLAY . That is fine . But the recommended default amount is 16 .

Current event :CLASH IN SESSION
We have 6 players playing our Daily BLITZ . Which takes us through the 25 courses 1 a day M - F for 5 weeks per season . We are in our 13th season . 65 consecutive weeks .
Re: CLICK HERE AND CLICK THE LAST PAGE . TO POST YOUR BLITZ SCORES
We also have a VOTSCC SKILLS CTTH challenge . These are not daily but run 72 hours . There are 35 CTTH courses .
VOTSCC SKILLS SERIES SINGLE ROUND CTTH CHAMPS
We have 4 in CC Match play and Stroke play challenges . Members challenge the title holder . The winner is the champ and sports the title on their wall until they are challenged and beat .

We also have embedded live Brackets from Challonge in our website . That play live with a chat box right below the bracket so you don't have to go anywhere else except to WGT to invite and play your round .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/portal?pid=2
We also have very cool CC tourneys and brackets . And many more . Obviously some will be drawn to different events . We just need more players til fill these GR8 events and keep them alive . Nothing is mandatory or required . But silence is not acceptable .
The possibilities are endless . Everyone is equal in our CC . Input and ideas are encouraged and any opinion on anything in any direction is heard and respected .
A few more here and a few more there is all we are looking for . There is quite a lot to keep ones interest .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Apr 10 2016 12:57 PM
To continue with some thoughts about these events . A couple years ago I was invited to participate in the "FLASH MOB " series of multi player tournaments in these
http://challonge.com/ bracket formats . Hosted by the infamous incredible " sugahsweet " . I was impressed . And hooked . These were the best thing since sliced bread . At least being a participant anyway . Not sure admin " sugahsweet " had as much fun . But they continued on for quite a spell . Eventually fading into oblivion .
So I had to try it . Already had a challonge account . So i got about 20 CC members and a few mates i knew from WGTLS . I started to host some of these multiplayer tournaments . Every week end . Saturdays and Sundays . We pulled off 20 in a row , mostly successful events .
With some improvements . Instead of an off base chat room to meet in and wait for admin to have to relay all the information . We embedded the live brackets right into a page in our own website . With our chatroom right below the live bracket . We could look up and see all the match ups all at the same time ( once the tournament had started , prior match ups were temporary and always changed at start up because of roster changes and no shows . ) But still so much more convenient for all . Once the tournament had officially started . You just look at your match up chat with them or him or her , decide who invites , go to game client , play your match , come back to the chat , record your match . Once all the rounds were in , watch the bracket change to the next round . Chat with your next opponent , and go play the next round , etc . Till the finals and a Grand Champion was named .
Things were going quite well ( as well as things can go with a bunch of online golfers all in the same place ) lol . Until the WGT invisible invite glitch debacle .
Our event came to a screeching halt . No way to invite . No way to play . That's been over a year ago now . I have tried a couple events since . Different group of players these days . Don't seem to have the same enthusiasm for multiplayer events that used to be so evident .
The enthusiasm or at the very least GR8 interest is a very important criteria amongst other needed disciplines and patience and a sense of humor and the necessity to be communicative and willing to follow protocol . to enable these events to be successful . And then some .
I don't know if I am actually putting it out there . Outside my CC .That i am an expert in running these events . And that if enough serious interest was to come forth . That we could consider putting together an event or so . To see how it goes . Maybe that's what i'm doing . If that's the case . It's no secret how to contact me . I will be happy to discuss and share a lot more details with any one . VERY IMPORTANT . This conversation in CC Corner is not a recruiting effort . These events can be played by anyone belonging to WGT. All that is required is an account with http://challonge.com/ with your WGT username . Challonge is linked to WGT by way of email for invites and notifications . By username and same email link . If you put a different email for challonge than you did for WGT then of course that will not work . It also helps with familiarity . If everyone knows you as " Theboogieman " and you sign in as Ernie . Not likely your gonna be recognized .
Also registration in my website is necessary for access to the chat and the embedded brackets . Wgt username and same email as WGT is necessary for the challonge reasons there as well . Nothing else will ever be asked of you from the website .
Like I said . I have this all figured out . It is a very easy protocol to follow and it all makes sense . It all has to be followed to the T . All details of the procedures from start to finish are already written out step by step and available to interested parties .
Now going back to what i said about this not being a recruiting effort . This is not . I am not saying I would not love to acquire many more members in the process . i am always looking to recruit . But his is mostly about things like boredom and inactivity and the passion i miss in the multiplayer formats . And this is a different and challenging format that takes a little seriousness and is different from the same ole . And can be a lot of fun . This is also a much quicker format than most . 2 , 4 , 6 , 8 rounds can be played simultaneously . Example 8 players , 9 holes , 4 matches , in 45 minutes .
Please read below .

Live bracket can be viewed at :https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/portal?pid=2
Or more commonly known as Page 3 in our website
The full bracket can be viewed at http://challonge.com/1iionk0w
If you are on this roster and have not registered with http://challonge.com/
Please do so at your convenience . Please use your WGT username . Challonge has email links with WGT for notifications of events and rounds .
In the case of alt shot teams Challonge will not accept two registered names on the same line to make a two person team . So I have to use other than your registered name when making alt shot teams .
TinysTeeShot:
granted it would take a few weeks to complete it

This format that i suggest above . can be played in one evening . There are 3 separate rounds that would take less than 3 hours .
In the first round of 9 holes all 8 teams are playing the 4 rounds simultaneously . that's less than 1 hour .
In the second round ( the semi finals ). The four remaining teams play 2 rounds simultaneously . a little more than an hour and a half has gone by .
In the final rounds ( the Champoinship and the Bronze ) . The four remaining teams play simultaneously .
All totaled about 2.5 hours have passed and the tournament is complete .
I have done this way over a dozen times . More like 20 . So i know it works .
If everyone is all in . Then it is a piece of cake .
In the above scenario . The teams of Jim & jt already know and have spoken to each other , that they will face ken & gene and have both spoken to them too . And have also spoken to each other .
The 4 of them know to meet within 30 minutes of the start time . To be green available for the invites to match the 4 of them up for a 9 hole round at pebble beach fr 9 alt shot .
The same thing for MG & Robert who will face Kelly & Cindy who also have all agreed to meet within 30 minutes of the start time be be ready to invite the 2 teams to an alt shot match at Pebble Beach fr 9
The same with myself and Andrew who will play tiny and Gordon . And we all have spoken .
Ditto with Dan & Paul who are matched up against Lefty & Organlad .
The start times are all the same . We all know how to invite , who to invite and what course and what format . We will all be in the same chat right there before the rounds to confirm that each foursome is ready and raring to go .
Then play the round .
One of the GR8 advantages to setting up these matches in the Challonge format , on a page in our website with a live embedded bracket and a chat box underneath .
Is that it takes all the guesswork out of the invite dilemma . You know exactly when and where to find the players you are matched up with . With minimal communication and affirmation One can rest assured that players , the matches , the ability to relax and play a complicated format is assured . A luxury that very few have . But we do . Too bad this group doesn't get how easy and fun these formats are .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Apr 19 2016 7:56 AM
HELLO HEllo hello is there anybody out there ? Sounds like an echo chamber up in here .
I would love to revive some of the friendly interactive fun in our CC and here in WGT . I currently host CC vs CC interplay matches on a continual basis . Our current event can be viewed at : CLASH IN SESSION . Right here in CC Corner . These are very slow moving drawn out events . Meant to establish some interactive involvement outside each teams CC . The 2 interplay teams are responsible for contacting their respective opponents to schedule their match or matches ( this is my first 2 rounder I have created ) . These are usually matchplay rounds between a couple fairly evenly matched strangers . Almost all of the matches and events turn out well . With everyone making new friends and enjoying playing a head to head together .
This is one of my ways of encouraging improvement for the greater good . It isn't much but it is something . And my personal rewards are big .
It is not enough . Some how I must find some ways to encourage and promote and generate more interest in my CC .
Below is some of what has been highly successful in the past . By successful I mean 50 to 60 members . Almost all of which were active and involved beyond belief . Helpful , personable , dedicated , motivated . This has happened several times .
There have been many different reasons that these good times have ceased and then restarted again . It seems to go in cycles .
I am hoping for another resurgence . There is nothing like it . When all ducks are in a row and it runs like a well oiled machine . There is no pressure to do so . The right types of members just seem to step up and enjoy making it happen .
I / we already provide the best environment . Lots of fun choices in events . Ease of access and flexible playing times and formats . All negotiable amongst all members and players involved .
Everyone has an equal voice in the CC regardless of tier or tenure .
Below are some of what we need and a description of some of the events that are current and fun and available .
So hopefully you might be interested in :
A CC that is in need of some members that like to have input in their CC forum . Whether it be to provide information or answer questions , Inquire about something . Comment your views and opinions on any matter fully no matter what your stance on an issue is . Expect others to reply and give input and maybe opposing views on any subject . Always being fully respected by all . And in turn showing the same respect to all members .
This type of member is what we are seeking always .
Another objective of ours is to recruit players that enjoy meeting and friending fellow CC mates . For several reasons . To get to know one another a little better . Also to enjoy some rounds with members of any format , mostly social and allowing some time daily or weekly in which to do so .
The above two types of members are the focus for our recruitment these days . Very seriously as I / we feel that these are areas that help make a CC successful .
We already have well made CC tourneys that have no problem with high participation including " Starters Equipment Only " and " No Drivers Allowed " . Custom tourneys .
Other events like stroke and CTTH brackets .
A daily BLITZ . ( 25 courses )
A Skills series CTTH challenge ( 35 courses )
A 16 player interplay team for CC vs CC CLASHES
In CC stroke and match play challenges where members challenge the holder of the titles for the title . The winner posts the titles on their walls until they are defeated .
We also host periodic VOTSCC KICK ASS TOURS WEEK END FUN IN THE SUN EVENTS . these are very fun bracket tournaments of all formats . Played on
http://challonge.com/ brackets that are embedded live in our website .
All tiers are welcome .
All of these events are fun and challenging and are just part of the experience of excellent formats for players to refine their skills , lower their averages , move up in tiers while here in VOTSCC .
Premium and credit tourneys are and can be made . But are not our focus .
We need more players that want to be part of a group of alike players that enjoy interacting as well as seriously working on their game . To take pride in their CC and fellow CC mates . To enjoy being on a team that is much like a family . This does happen and is the way it always is in our CC . just right now on a smaller level .
I invite you to research everything I say . Talk to current members . talk to ex members . Read through this thread . Read some of the forums in our website .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
See if what I am saying has any validity . You will be pleasantly surprised in what you find about myself , our group . and the way things run around here . I promise that . Hopefully that will be enough to persuade you to join in . With out you . We won't have much chance of surviving , thriving , growing , building in the unique manner in which we offer .
Thank you
Paul
VOTSCC
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Apr 24 2016 12:09 AM
Some of my history of Challonge events .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Apr 24 2016 12:15 AM
Here is an example of a completed stroke play bracket .

See the player in the second bracket 1st round Buffaloforest ? He was not in our CC . i know him from WGTLS . He played in several events . As did others . from WGT .
Just trying to make the point that this is not just a CC thing .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, May 7 2016 5:33 PM
Enough of all that . One can only try so hard to generate some activity . In CC or not .
Back to basics .
Valley of the SUN Casual Club is just that . A casual club to be a part of . Some GR8 tourneys , formats , events to keep you busy refining your skills . In a team like environment . In that we all support each other and encourage one another .
We don't require any minimums for contributing points . Or any particular amount of events .
We do however ask that a certain amount of transparency by way of ownership and respect .
Meaning . We ask that members friend one another . We ask that a periodic forum post be made . If nothing other than an Ugh or a Hey , now and then . just to show you are still there and you appreciate the work that the tourney makers , directors , event makers , and other CC members do to make it all work .
That is it . A very good group we have . All types and tiers . All treated and respected as equals without regard to tiers or longevity , age , gender or anything .
Check us out . We are very small and would like to build a little .
Thank you
Paul
ct690911
7,068 Posts Sat, May 7 2016 6:09 PM
You have 27 members and 5 directors. I have no idea who your directors are, but one should be a recruiting director. You take a lot of the work on yourself (reading this thread is almost an epic undertaking) and this could be better handled by someone whose sole job it is to recruit.
You had asked for ideas in an earlier post, I'm just providing what I think may be helpful. Many hands make light work.
ct

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, May 7 2016 7:34 PM

ct690911:
this could be better handled by someone whose sole job it is to recruit

Wouldn't that be nice ? To share the burden . Gr8 concept Colin . I have posted many times that we need someone to step up in that area . I can't even get members to post testimonials here . No one willing to take on something like that Colin . We have a certain few that do what they do . And very well . As in most CC's I suspect there are a few very dedicated and willing to do what they need to do to help the CC . The other 95 % are lucky if they even show up to play .
It's not like there are any experienced , good , ideal CC members floating around available . In fact there are ZERO . They would of course all already belong to CC's . Dedicated soley to that CC . Until such a time that they decide to leave . Which will happen eventually . They end up in another popular CC with a good reputation and some more of their friends . Not likely much thought given to joining some of the many other CC's .
In fact I have stopped accepting requests from new to WGT amateurs and hacks . Just my CC welcome is too overwhelming for them . No matter how polite I am I cannot connect with them at all these days .
So instead of accepting . I decline and leave a message on their wall that says .
" I see you would like to join the CC . That will be fine . If you could just message me first and we can have a chat . I will be happy to send you an invite . "
So far that is working just as well as accepting their invites .
I recently spoke with a guy who had acquired a CC from someone . He has had considerable luck messaging the members of faltering CC's . Who's owners or members had basically abandoned any activity . Something I have tried in the past with minimal luck . But still a very promising approach . That takes quite a bit of time . I already do 28 hours worth of BS every 24 hours . I just haven't had the time to investigate what CC's may be in that position . And then follow through with a big recruiting effort .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 8 2016 10:41 AM

artwork courtesy of andyson
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, May 14 2016 5:08 PM

pdb1:

In fact I have stopped accepting requests from new to WGT amateurs and hacks . Just my CC welcome is too overwhelming for them . No matter how polite I am I cannot connect with them at all these days .
So instead of accepting . I decline and leave a message on their wall that says .
" I see you would like to join the CC . That will be fine . If you could just message me first and we can have a chat . I will be happy to send you an invite . "
So far that is working just as well as accepting their invites .

The above poster is andyson's suggestion to my above quote . A very good one . I plan on using it .
If you are here in CC Corner reading this and have read the last few pages . You also are welcome to message me . Especially if you are interested in our CC .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 15 2016 10:04 PM
There is a lot of different fun formats to be enjoyed here . If you are thinking about joining or changing to something different . That would be us . Come give us a try . or message me with any questions .

We are still looking for players . Right now with 28 members . 28 very good members . We still need more members of different interests to continue with some of our formats .
Good members do not have all the same interests . They do not have to like or even participate in every thing we present .
For instance . We have 13 on Team VOTSCC INTERPLAY . That is fine . But the recommended default amount is 16 .

Current event :CLASH IN SESSION
We have 6 players playing our Daily BLITZ . Which takes us through the 25 courses 1 a day M - F for 5 weeks per season . We are in our 13th season . 65 consecutive weeks .
Re: CLICK HERE AND CLICK THE LAST PAGE . TO POST YOUR BLITZ SCORES
We also have a VOTSCC SKILLS CTTH challenge . These are not daily but run 72 hours . There are 35 CTTH courses .
VOTSCC SKILLS SERIES SINGLE ROUND CTTH CHAMPS
We have 4 in CC Match play and Stroke play challenges . Members challenge the title holder . The winner is the champ and sports the title on their wall until they are challenged and beat .

We also have embedded live Brackets from Challonge in our website . That play live with a chat box right below the bracket so you don't have to go anywhere else except to WGT to invite and play your round .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/portal?pid=2
We also have very cool CC tourneys and brackets . And many more . Obviously some will be drawn to different events . We just need more players til fill these GR8 events and keep them alive . Nothing is mandatory or required . But silence is not acceptable .
The possibilities are endless . Everyone is equal in our CC . Input and ideas are encouraged and any opinion on anything in any direction is heard and respected .
A few more here and a few more there is all we are looking for . There is quite a lot to keep ones interest .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 22 2016 4:25 AM

After reading the preceding pages . I am sure you will be intrigued . Please message me . Or just request an invite . Come check us out . We could really use some more good members right now . Hope to see you soon .
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, May 26 2016 7:28 PM

Lol . This is andyson's latest . Very funny .
The truth is we all invite a lot . We try to friend every member so that PM's are available . Would like to increase in size for the reasons of having more available for multiplayer matches . Also to have a full interplay team . And to fill more of our fun events and tourneys .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 29 2016 5:12 AM
Here is a current list of very cool events that we offer at all times here in VOTSCC .
We are still looking for players to join and play these gr8 events . As well as recruiting new and active members to recruit and join our team . Right now with 28 members . 28 very good members . We still need more members of different interests to continue with some of our formats .
Good members do not have all the same interests . They do not have to like or even participate in every thing we present .
For instance . We have 13 on Team VOTSCC INTERPLAY . That is fine . But the recommended default amount is 16 .

Current event :
VOTSCC vs FANTASY BAY INTERPLAY # 5
VOTSCC vs LAS VEGAS KNIGHTS INTERPLAY # 6
For us team members it is really only necessary to post here
POST HERE FOR THE VOTSCC vs FANTASY BAY INTERPLAY MATCH
And here
Re: POST YOUR SCORES FOR VOTSCC vs LAS VEGAS KNIGHTS HERE
But it would be sportmanlike , polite and professional to post in the CC Corner posts as well .
This is just another attempt at pushing it a little further on my part by setting up 2 matches . I know we can do this . If I thought we couldn't . I would not have done it .
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We have 6 players playing our Daily BLITZ . Which takes us through the 25 courses 1 a day M - F for 5 weeks per season . We are in our 13th season . 65 consecutive weeks .
Re: CLICK HERE AND CLICK THE LAST PAGE . TO POST YOUR BLITZ SCORES
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We also have a VOTSCC SKILLS CTTH challenge . These are not daily but run 72 hours . There are 35 CTTH courses .
VOTSCC SKILLS SERIES SINGLE ROUND CTTH CHAMPS
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We have 4 in CC Match play and Stroke play challenges . Members challenge the title holder . The winner is the champ and sports the title on their wall until they are challenged and beat .

We also have embedded live Brackets from Challonge in our website . That play live with a chat box right below the bracket so you don't have to go anywhere else except to WGT to invite and play your round .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/portal?pid=2
We also have very cool CC tourneys and brackets . And many more . Obviously some will be drawn to different events . We just need more players to fill these GR8 events and keep them alive . Nothing is mandatory or required . But silence is not acceptable .
The possibilities are endless . Everyone is equal in our CC . Input and ideas are encouraged and any opinion on anything in any direction is heard and respected .
MainzMan
9,586 Posts Sun, May 29 2016 9:27 AM
Man, I keep clicking this thread and being disappointed.
I see VALLEY of the... and some part of me, I wonder which, hopes it will end with the word Dolls : )))
petervcpt
1,013 Posts Sun, May 29 2016 11:53 AM

MainzMan:

Man, I keep clicking this thread and being disappointed.
I see VALLEY of the... and some part of me, I wonder which, hopes it will end with the word Dolls : )))

You're dating yourself there!
Enjoyed the book as a teenager, hidden of course from my parents :-)
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 29 2016 10:13 PM
That was real necessary . Hate to disappoint you . Maybe you would like
VALLEY OF THE FUN A little better .
250 TOPICS1100 SUB TOPICS

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jun 19 2016 10:18 AM
A few openings have surfaced for players from all parts of the world . Still looking for personable members of all tiers . Players that have time to work on their game . Show some interest in various CC events and formats . And enjoy socially playing in interplay CC vs CC events to have fun playing with other CC's . Be inclined to get to know other members . Communicate with them and have time to play some multiplayer rounds . Players that know how to use a CC forum . Players that even might want to have some input in helping to grow and improve a CC with a a strong core and a lot of heart .
Of course any or all of those attributes are a good start . VOTSCC offers all of the above and so much more . If any of the described above sounds good to you . Then we could be a very good CC for you . Of course there are hundreds of very good CC's to choose from . But check ours out . You won't be disappointed .
I do not demand anything . I ask and suggest
I do not require any amounts of CC tournaments or particular mandatory events .
You do not have to play everyday
I do not require minimums .
You are not required to produce XP's or use your free passes .
I only ask and suggest that you register in the CC website . This is a one time thing . This must be done . It is part of the CC and I have many reasons for this .
I ask that one friends all members in the CC . This is very reasonable and i do not hound you to do it .
As the owner it is imperative that I have I have contact with every member . That is a given .
WGT provides a CC Forum with every CC . The forum has many purposes . First and foremost the forum provides information that you must know to be a member . So it is a given that one must keep current by reading it regularly .
WGT CC Homepage
https://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446
Cool website there only to be used if you have a need to use its many cool features .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
The name of the CC is " Valley of the SUN Casual Club Country Club " and it is just that . A very enjoyable way to experience your time here in WGT .
please read the testimonials on the previous pages by other members . there is also much content about what we have to offer and some of the ups and downs of running a CC that wants to be fully involved . There are many types of players at WGT . It is not easy to find the types of members described above . As they would already be in CC's and happy to be there . But I will never stop trying .
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jun 26 2016 11:48 AM
CC Corner will be my only connection to the main forums . I will continue to promote my CC , attempt to recruit . Occasionally make an observation .
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I no longer post in the main forums . But I couldn't help but notice that this queening seems to think Columbus Storm owes her something . So I posted this on her or his wall

pdb1
26 Jun 2016 @ 11:31 AM
"Please let me interject"
Columbus Storm does this incredibly generous extremely hard work out of the kindness of his big heart . To provide for us all an easy access to our often unclear status . As WGT does not provide this for anyone and does not care to . The task must be infinitely meticulous and painstaking .
For anyone to be anything but extremely grateful to him is not even an option . If a mistake has ever been made he has promptly and graciously corrected the error immediately . He does not have to do this . it would be wise if everyone does everything they can to show their appreciation to him for this generous feature he provides .
Paul
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ColumbusStorm
3,416 Posts Sun, Jun 26 2016 12:28 PM
Back when genorb did the lists for the Legend tier, I always thought those were interesting. And I decided to try and continue the lists when the Tour Legend tier was first created.
Sometimes finding the most recent list is not easy since all the lists are in the same thread. I assume that was queening's problem.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jun 26 2016 2:32 PM
Sorting lists of 30 to 300 or so is something I do often .
The lists you take on are in the thousands . I can appreciate how tedious that can be .
Thank you for your work .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jun 27 2016 5:14 AM
As you know , the frustrations are many . Sometimes difficult to justify . But when you have a 25 member CC and 9 members get together and work as a team like we did over the weekend . And the results are
Congratulations! Your club finished 15 in the CC EVENT #26 that ended on 26 Jun.
You've received the following for playing:
Flags: Dice, TeeMarkers: Dice
4 WGT Country Club Passes
Cheers!
It reminds me what a good thing we have going . They did it on their own . It is not required to play in the CLASH .
tjune2016
588 Posts Mon, Jun 27 2016 7:48 AM
Very nice thread.
queening
36 Posts Mon, Jun 27 2016 9:26 AM
yes I blocked you lol best thing
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jun 27 2016 12:35 PM
I'm not surprised it's too much to ask you to respect ColumbusStorm
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jun 27 2016 6:35 PM

tjune2016:

Very nice thread.

Thank you tjune .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Jun 28 2016 5:57 AM

queening
28 Jun 2016 @ 5:13 AM
"new formum "
25 is 25 no questions asked 0 given

queening
27 Jun 2016 @ 9:27 AM
"ranked 25 "
I am 25 no doubt its on my blog and wgt confrm it cheers me lol

queening
26 Jun 2016 @ 12:57 PM
"banned "
seems you going the way of over 60 usa players mate . in the bin eg blocked goodbye
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I have no need to waste a minute posting on your wall that you have banned me from . I could care less about your numbers .
I only think what i guess everyone already knew . That you are an expletiveing expletive .
I do not care . So you can stop posting on my wall any day now . Ban yourself please .

by **Paul** Sun 13 Aug 2023, 1:21 am

SuperKanga
3,628 Posts Tue, Jun 28 2016 9:47 PM
15th is a super finish for a CC the size of yours Paul
Congratulations ... you must be very proud.
Rob )
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Jun 29 2016 4:49 AM

SuperKanga:
you must be very proud.

Thank you Rob
Most certainly . It is an indescribable feeling . But this is the 5th time inside the top 25 . And most times in the top 50 . But there are also many other frequent occurrences from individuals and the CC that make this owner very proud on a regular basis .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jun 30 2016 9:51 PM
25 members is indeed a small CC . Just too small . Not enough to fill many of our fun events . Not quite enough to expect to fill a 16 player bracket in a timely manner . Not quite enough to have a 16 player Interplay team . A good CC has a wide variety of players with many different interests . As we do . 25 active members spread thinly makes for low entrants in events , with everyone playing regularly . When we began we topped out at 90 members tapering down to between 50 and 60 at our best . And now for many various reasons are at 25 .

So recruitment would be the answer to growing and building . Slowly filling the events and increasing entrant percentages . ( notice how i am careful not to use the word participation ? ) Because we have good participation in events . Just to few members .
Knowing that good CC members are already in good CC's . And knowing that good CC members often change CC's . Usually from one large popular good CC to another large popular good CC with another group of their friends .
Recruitment efforts are made by me in the hundreds . Sometimes 100 in a sitting . They are exhausting , thankless , and with no results .
The easiest list from which to find members not in CC's comes from the Tournament Leader boards . The least likely list of perspective CC members one could ever put together . Consisting entirely of 6 , 7 , 8 year WGT members with from 1 to 6 friends .
With no intention of ever trying a CC . Or having already tried a couple CC's with bad experiences that left a bad taste in their mouths . Tainted forever .
So that list is not a list .
Another way is search the Country Clubs . You can type in a letter or a word and get 1 page of CC's that begin with that letter or word . Go down the list look at the roster at the owners stats . You see the owner hasn't played since 8/16/ 2014 . Then look to see if any of the other members are active . Nope no one has played in 2016 . Go back to the search . Try and remember what letter or word you typed in to bring up that page to look at another CC . Click a CC , check the owners stats . Hasn't played since 4 / 13/ 2015 . Look at the other members . Ah ha ! 3 have played in 2016 . but not since February . Go back to the search . Click on another CC . Owner hasn't played in over a year . 5 members have played in May and June of 2016 . Each have played a round or 2 in the last month or 2 . Yay . Ok so now I do the unthinkable . The Cardinal sin . I convincingly attempt to POACH this member . In fact I message and invite all 5 .
I am on a roll now . 3 hours later I have invited and messaged 20 of these unlikely perspective members . What do you know ? I don't hear back from any of them .
Wait . 2 weeks later in the span of 2 days . 3 different players accept my invites . Which means that they had to quit their present CC to accept my invites . YES .
I can't wait to talk to them . I post a nice welcome on their walls . I also post a very nice welcome to each in the CC forum . The rest of the CC members all respond and welcome them in their own accepting and welcoming ways . Makes it easier for novices or others that have no experience with forums or WGT for that matter . ( so I have been told , that this is very helpful . It is a regular protocol ). Eventually one would hope this new member would respond to all of these nice welcomes in their new CC forum .
I could go on and on . But I won't . And they don't . They don't respond to me or any wall post or PM . Much less their forum welcome . I continue to politely message and suggest that they message me or ask a question in the forum . Or play a round .
I get nothing . A complete waste of time . From the hours I spent the night of the original invite . To the 4 or 5 weeks that i try to connect with them once they accept the CC invite . Amounts to days of my time . Wasted with no new recruits .
I need to come up with some more approaches to recruiting that yield gr8er success than the ones I have been trying . Any help in that area is welcome . I am all ears .
Recently I responded to an owner advertising to find a new owner for his CC . I suggested that some of his members could possibly find a good home in our CC . I never heard back from him . Guess that's not what he had in mind .
But why not . If you are a frustrated owner . And your CC is faltering . Why not refer your members to another CC that has shown an interest . And could handle it . They may like it and be happier and really start enjoying their WGT experience .
Luck of the draw is not happening . With hundreds of very good and valid CC's to chose from . The likely hood that our little 25 member CC will even be in consideration is not probable .
We are here though . A very good CC at any size . With GR8 members and GR8 events . Offering a very cool CC in which to experience WGT . Please read through the preceding pages of this thread . And see what you think .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jul 2 2016 3:45 PM
Message to
Ollietrotter
From:.

pdb1
02 Jul 2016 @ 3:42 PM
"Hello Ollie"
If you could please message me . We could have a chat and would be happy to accept your CC invite .
Thanx
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Jul 26 2016 8:11 PM
Hi .
Paul here . We are trying to build our small , strong , active CC .
I would like to invite you to check out our CC . the " Valley of the SUN Casual Club " . An all tiers CC with just the right tourneys , formats and events and environment to polish your skills , lower your average and move up in tiers . In a friendly but competitive team environment that supports and encourages you .
This is our WGT CC homepage .
https://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446
This is our free and open to all website / forum .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
Please look around . I think you will enjoy what you see .
If you have a few minutes . Please read the preceding pages . Click on some links . You might see some things that may interest you .
There has been a little excitement ( and I do mean a little ) over the last 6 weeks . On account of our fortunate good standings in the last 3 CLASHES . We have been in the top 25 several times before . But not 3 times in a row in the top 15 .
Congratulations! Your club finished 15 in the CC EVENT #26 that ended on 26 Jun.

You've received the following for playing:

Flags: Dice, TeeMarkers: Dice

4 WGT Country Club Passes

Cheers!
Congratulations! Your club finished 15 in the CC EVENT #27 that ended on 09 Jul.
You've received the following for playing:
TeeMarkers: TRex, Flags: TRex
4 WGT Country Club Passes
Cheers!
Congratulations! Your club finished 11 in the CC EVENT #28 that ended on 24 Jul.

You've received the following for playing:

Flags: Flamingo, TeeMarkers: Flamingo

4 WGT Country Club Passes

Cheers!
Thanx for looking
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jul 29 2016 9:24 PM
If you are looking or considering a change . Please keep
" The Valley of the SUN Casual Club Country Club " in mind .
This is our WGT CC homepage .
https://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446
This is our free and open to all website / forum .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
Please look around . I think you will enjoy what you see .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jul 30 2016 2:28 PM
by JimQ916 Today at 11:54

Hi all of you fellow WGT'ers. My name is Jim and I'm currently the Tournament Director for the VOTSCC.

I've been a member of the CC for over 2 years and found it's the best thing WGT has to offer....it's awesome.

Ok, here goes.....I'm a happily married guy (for the past 12 years to my second wife), soon to be 56 years young guy who lives in Kennesaw Georgia (15 miles North of Atlanta), and have for the past 12 years. I was born in Queens NY and my family moved to South Florida when I was 12, and being I was more or less raised there, I consider myself a "displaced South Floridian". I have 2 grown children (Chris 22 and Perri 25) who I am so proud of, and they are pretty much the only good that came out of my 1st marriage (also for 12 years).

I'm a State of Florida "A" licensed water treatment plant operator and worked for the City of Pompano Beach, Florida for, you guessed it, 12 years. I became unable to work in any capacity at all after those 12 years, thus I now am classified as "Disabled" / "Retired". That pretty much sums everything about me in a nut shell...just an ordinary guy with a life I'm happy and thankful for...more than a lot of people can say.

If your reading this, and aren't a member of the VOTSCC, I urge you to take a look at us and you'll see why I'm so happy there. We have a great owner in Paul, a dedicated and very active board of directors in myself (not conceited at all), Cory, Kelly and John and the best / most friendly members any CC would love to have....we are more of a family than a bunch of strangers.We have great Tournaments going on all of the time, including regular CC Tournaments, specialty Tournaments set up by our members (Paul, Arnie and myself), a Blitz that Cory runs and we play daily M - F, 2 Bracket Tournaments (1 Stroke Play / 1 CTTH) going at all times and we are very active in WGT sponsored events such as the Clash, where we've placed in the top 25 for the past few....14th in the last one, which shows you the unity and dedication of everyone our club...us being a 28 member CC and finishing so high all of the time shows the dedication everyone has to the club.

We have an extremely active Forum which most everyone posts in and keeps us up to date on club events / computer tech support / jokes and a bunch of other stuff.

I can go on selling the CC but words really can't describe how I feel about it...you have to see it to believe it. That does it for me....I hope that if you're reading this you give us a shot...nothing ventured, nothing gained!!! I'll see you soon....Jim (JimQ916)
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Aug 14 2016 9:21 AM
I have decided that I will follow suit with some of the other CC's . Like A P A B Country Club! And start advertising on WGT players walls .

NEW ADS FOR YOU BECAUSE IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU

Hello . This advertisement is brought to you by Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C .
http://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446

We are currently a level 12 CC . About 40 players , all tiers , all types types welcome .
What we have to offer is a strong base for providing the best environment for WGTers to hone their skills , lower their averages , move up in tiers .
We do this by offering a wide range of CC tourneys and custom in CC events . A large selection for many types of players .
All players welcome each other in the CC forum . It is our way of shaking hands .
We do not require Skype or TeamSpeak . We communicate via the CC forum and PM messaging .
No minimums or quotas for anything are required . We trust that you will participate as your schedule allows .
XP's are not a focus in VOTSCC . It is optional . If you desire to excel in that format . You are welcome to . Many do .
Having a visible presence , an occasional shout out , participation in some CC events and showing pride and ownership in your membership in VOTSCC sums up the typical member . Any less is not acceptable . And more is always welcome and encouraged .
Every member is equal in every way . Your voice , opinions and suggestions are heard and respected regardless of tier , level , length of membership , gender , looks , religion , ethnicity , or hair .
A sense of humor is a bonus for everyone . There is so much more .
We extend an invitation to you and your friends to take a look , click on some links and consider joining our awesome community .

Our WGT CC Homepage http://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446

Our WGT CC CC Corner thread VALLEY of the SUN C C invites

Our open to all informative alluring website https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

Thank you very much
pdb1
Paul
VOTSCC
_________________
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Sep 4 2016 12:19 AM
It is hard to believe that in the last month we have seen our CC grow from 26 to 56 . And then back down to 39 current . before we hit 56 there were about 8 that came and went . Meaning that 38 have come and 25 have gone . gaining 13 . Most of the remaining 13 will not last either . Some play a little . They will likely stay . But the ones that barely play and will not respond to anything will go .
I have to believe that we are just having a bad streak . A slump . Not finding the right players for what we like . Not likely we will find many new and or inexperienced players that will like the invites formats . Just players that do everything else . Which is fine . I have to deal with it .
I have had to stop asking players to be available for some multiplayer matches and invites . No one wants to do that any more that I run into . No one .
There are many WGTers that I am sure find that hard to believe . Because they are part of a tightly closed nit , network of players that have always just naturally made themselves available for multiplayer and invite matches . Never having ever been without the ability to create and accept on a moments notice .
I know because I / we were once a circle of very active members that were available all the time for each other . 16 to 20 players can easily play several matches together every day .
Because of a miscommunication amongst a few members and a couple others And a misunderstanding with a few others . A couple others that just moved on . And a few I removed .
We ended up with no one that plays those formats . No one . That started about exactly 1 year ago until the first of the year 2016 .
Since then there have been at least 6 players that left because they could not get a response to any invites . Another announced that they will be leaving soon today .
I am just unlucky at this time to be filled with members that do not like to play multiplayer . There are a few that do like it and admit they are frustrated . But are good members and find plenty of other events to play in the CC . All the current members are awesome CC members . They do lots of other things . Just not invites .
I am optimistic always and always hope to recruit members that like multiplayer also . And think that will happen again soon .
We are looking for good active friendly all around members . It is a plus if you like invites .
So please click on some links . If you like what you see . Come give us a try . We would be happy to have you .
Thanx
Paul
May the SUN always be with you
Skip380
285 Posts Wed, Sep 7 2016 6:46 PM
Good Luck Paul!! Just a friendly bump from an old friend!!

Be Well!!

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Sep 8 2016 5:01 PM

Skip380:
Paul

Awesome Skip . Nice to hear from you . The best to you my friend .
Paul
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Sep 10 2016 7:27 AM
BTW I finally saw you guys in the CLASH . Very cool .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Sep 10 2016 7:47 AM
BTW . WGTers . I am going to change my approach to the recruitment focus in our CC .
I will no longer be perusing the available lists of any kind . If myself or one of our players comes across a perspective member . Fine we will always give them an opportunity .
I will continue to post and promote in this CC Corner thread . If a player likes what they read here . Of course we would be happy to accept you . Word of mouth is GR8 too .
It has become obvious that the results of seeking out prospective players is no longer worth the trouble .
I still am optimistic that the word will get around that we are a good solid CC and a good choice for casual active players that also want to be a part of a group of team mates . Friend them play with them . Support CC events . Be visible and proud . Encourage and acknowledge them the same as we do for everyone ..
Thanx
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Sep 29 2016 10:25 PM

pdb1:

A few openings have surfaced for players from all parts of the world . Still looking for personable members of all tiers . Players that have time to work on their game . Show some interest in various CC events and formats . And enjoy socially playing in interplay CC vs CC events to have fun playing with other CC's . Be inclined to get to know other members . Communicate with them and have time to play some multiplayer rounds . Players that know how to use a CC forum . Players that even might want to have some input in helping to grow and improve a CC with a a strong core and a lot of heart .
Of course any or all of those attributes are a good start . VOTSCC offers all of the above and so much more . If any of the described above sounds good to you . Then we could be a very good CC for you . Of course there are hundreds of very good CC's to choose from . But check ours out . You won't be disappointed .
I do not demand anything . I ask and suggest
I do not require any amounts of CC tournaments or particular mandatory events .
You do not have to play everyday
I do not require minimums .
You are not required to produce XP's or any that would cost you any money . Please do not turn down the free passes . .
I only ask and suggest that you register in the CC website . This is a one time thing . This must be done . It is part of the CC and I have many reasons for this .
I ask that one friends all members in the CC . This is very reasonable and i do not hound you to do it .
As the owner it is imperative that I have I have contact with every member . That is a given .
WGT provides a CC Forum with every CC . The forum has many purposes . First and foremost the forum provides information that you must know to be a member . So it is a given that one must keep current by reading it regularly .
WGT CC Homepage
https://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446
Cool website there only to be used if you have a need to use its many cool features .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
The name of the CC is " Valley of the SUN Casual Club Country Club " and it is just that . A very enjoyable way to experience your time here in WGT .
please read the testimonials on the previous pages by other members . there is also much content about what we have to offer and some of the ups and downs of running a CC that wants to be fully involved . There are many types of players at WGT . It is not easy to find the types of members described above . As they would already be in CC's and happy to be there . But I will never stop trying .
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 2 2016 3:10 AM
ct690911
7,068 Posts Sun, Oct 2 2016 4:32 AM

pdb1:

You may not be aware..but this character (Randy) is from an Iconic Cdn show called the "Trailer Park Boys". He was only a part time "actor"...hired for his physical attributes?
His real job was as a telephone repairman in a nearby city.
ct
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 23 2016 10:30 AM

ct690911:
(Randy) is from an Iconic Cdn show called the "Trailer Park Boys".

So what you are saying is besides Chris Jericho . There is another famous Canadian ?
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 23 2016 10:44 AM
Derailed my own thread . Well I had a little help .
Things are going GR8 in the CC right now . A lot of activity . 40 something awesome members . Regularly winning new Flag and Tee Markers . Making the top 25 in the CLASHES . click here to see .
We also have well made CC tourneys , a Stroke Bracket and a CTTH Bracket running all the time . BLITZes , challenges , lots of events . More than enough to keep you busy .
If you read the last few pages of this thread . You will get more of an idea just how fun friendly and full of every format we are .
Take a look . We would be happy to have you .
Thanx
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Nov 13 2016 2:23 PM
Hello WGTers . VOTSCC would like to invite you consider looking at our CC if you are in the market . Or might be in the future .
What we have to offer is a GR8 group of players that are all on the same team .
Everyone has a voice and is respected .
An environment conducive to honing your skills , lowering your average , moving up in tiers .
Playing in the wide variety of tiered and multi tiered custom tourneys . Made by yourself or our expert tourney makers .
A Stroke play bracket and a CTTH bracket running all the time .
A daily Mon thru Fri BLITZ .
CTTH skills challenges
and other events .
Well established formats . That offer a variety of choices . More than one can play at one time .
Of course the unlimited play format . Makes our CC tourneys . The ultimate practice round . If you utilize the unlimited play restart feature as intended . You can play a course 100 times and only 1 round counts . You can control your average so that it only goes down . And the fun custom formats allow one to learn the courses enjoyably .
It takes all types to make up a good CC . We welcome all tiers , all nationalities and countries , all religions and beliefs . Women , Men young and old and LGBTQ . And odd balls and weirdo's too . The more the merrier . Seriously .
Please read through some of the previous pages
I invite you to take a look .

Our homepage http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx

Our website
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

Our CC Corner thread

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites

Thank you

Paul

_________________
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Nov 15 2016 8:56 PM
Bump

ayenys
20 Posts Tue, Nov 15 2016 10:07 PM
Hi my name is Jen, stumbled on this thread and am so impressed with your tenacity. I am still amateur level and have not accepted any CC or blind friend invites yet.....was waiting to reach at least pro level before I do. Are you still accepting lower tier members? If yes, would I be a minority? Your posts seem to suggest that your core group of players are higher tiered. I am a very casual player ( spare time an issue) but I am trying to get a few games a week in ( usually late night). Let me know. Thanks, J.
JasCooper
528 Posts Sun, Nov 27 2016 8:21 PM
Paul,
Thanks for the offer, and standing up to JimBog. He may know how to play golf, but not much about diplomacy or tolerance of other's opinions.
im currently in a small club that seems to favor WGT mobile app, so I fit in nicely. But I'll certainly keep you and this club in mind should the situation ever change.
Regards,
JasCooper
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Nov 27 2016 9:02 PM
Hello Jas
Thank you for the response . Happy to defend the bullied and ones who's words they twist . And the voices of reason who never get heard . I am often shut down myself . But not without a fight .
That is good that you have found a good CC . There are many . The best to you .

Paul
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Dec 30 2016 5:31 PM
It certainly has been a while .
I hope everyones Christmas went well .
I would like to wish everyone a safe and Happy New Year . Let's make 2017 an epic and GR8 year .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jan 2 2017 5:27 PM
SChoitz
824 Posts Sun, Jan 15 2017 7:09 AM
For someone looking for a great CC to join, this would be it! I was in a larger but defunct CC with no communication and nothing to do but learn on my own. pdb1 sent me an invitation and things changed. Communication.. Country Club Tournaments... tips, hints, tricks, advice by others that have been through it.
I went from rarely playing at a L30 Amateur to a daily playing L80 Tour Master in 3 months. Great bunch of people.. Come and join the fun!
Mca19670
2,653 Posts Sun, Jan 15 2017 1:51 PM
Been a member of Valley of the Sun Casual Club for around 5 months now. When my previous club was struggling for active members a merge with VOTSCC was an option we were all given. I enjoyed my old club. There was around 40 members in it although maybe only around 8 were active. But I prefer smaller clubs. There's a more togetherness feel about smaller clubs I think than a club that has 250 members. That's my personal opinion anyway. So when Pdb1 (Paul) invited me I was happy to join his club. How glad I did. As I type this we have 38 solid members. I've probably been in contact with at least 2 thirds of them. There's all types of tournaments to suit all tiers. Too many for me sometimes. Lol. And if you shoot a bad score 1 day there's never any teasing, just encouragement. In fact my games improved rapidly in the past 5 months. The club shows its togetherness in every CC Clash also,finishing usually in the Top 40 most clashes. For a small club, that is a tremendous achievement. Last but not least, the club is in great hands under Paul and the other directors I may add. Paul must spend 25 hrs a day running this club. The work that man does is something else. If you don't believe me, check out the club website. Yes we have our own website with bundles of info on it. All he asks is for a little communication, play some CC tournaments, but most of all have fun. So come on, give it a go.
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Jan 16 2017 3:50 PM
I was recruited from a dead club.
I checked Valleyofthesuncc.com and read quite a few posts before deciding.
I am very happy I made the change.
Just check it out , what do you have to lose?
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jan 21 2017 5:39 PM
Those are GR8 posts Scott , Martin and Ron . Thank you guys . That is just what this thread needs . Some good testimonials . So those who pass by can read and see the versatility we have . From different points of view .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jan 21 2017 6:52 PM

pdb1:

One of the hardest things to do here in WGT . Is find good prospective CC members
There is no way for good members that are not in CC's to be identified .
The only place that one can view and see players not in CC's . Is in the WGT Tournament Leader Boards . Those players are the least prospective players in all of WGT . It is unbelievable . Literally hundreds upon hundreds of 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 year players there . That all they have ever done was play WGT tournaments . You are lucky if one of them has more than 2 friends after 9 years . Some have already tried CC's and had bad results . But most of them won't even say boo .
We have had several accept my invites and try things out for a while . Most would never reply to me and eventually I had to remove them .
Other than that there is no way to find players not in CC's .
Until recently ( like 6 months ago ) A couple of my friends sent me a couple lists of CC's where the owner had abandoned the CC's some time ago . Not making proper arrangements for some one to carry on with the ownership .
These CC's are left with no leadership , guidance , assistance . No way for recruits to become members . No way to find out information . They don't know about the main forums and barely know they have a CC forum . Most cases not used at all .
There are literally hundreds of CC's like this with thousands of members that are stuck like Chuck . And just think it is normal .
When I find out about one these CC's . I go to their homepage and scroll through the memberlist . I first look to see if anyone has played today or within a week from the current date . There are usually some . I will only click on those . And look to be sure that the last played date is correct . Most times not . They had evidently friended someone that day or something , bought some balls , etc. But they would be the most active members in that CC . I only invite those . With a message and an invite to join VOTSCC . They would be the players below our memberlist on the homepage .
Scott , Martin , and Ron each came from a similar type scenario . I think Scott and Ron got random messages on their wall explaining that I had the answer to all their troubles . And of course when Martins CC folded . His owner at the time graciously recommended VOTSCC to his ex members .
But no matter where they are from or what their circumstances are . There are very few that actually like it enough here to communicate just a little so they can stay .
Take a look at these recruiting efforts in one month . 1 MONTH OF INVITES .
Only a couple responded and eventually faded away . That is just one month a very busy month . But there have been easily 20 or 30 months with almost as many invites .
The amount would be mind boggling . I don't even think about it . But it does show that recruiting is extremely difficult for some like me / us .
Others don't even try and new members seem to flock to them .
Oh and go figure this out . Those abandoned CC's with no hope . get new members almost daily if not weekly . Absolutely no recruitment efforts at all .
So I have come to conclude that basically any or most WGT players that are good CC member types . Are already in CC's . And even they are likely to change to another very popular large CC that they are familiar with and or have friends in . And do that several times . Which would tend to put us out of contention for those who just jump to popular CC's .
I believe it is just the luck of the draw . We have not had our number picked in the LUCKY WHEEL OF FORTUNE IN THE SKY yet . But we will . Some day . And be flooded with GR8 potential CC members . Until then . It ain't happenin .

by **Paul** Sun 13 Aug 2023, 1:28 am

JimQ916
9,914 Posts Sun, Jan 22 2017 8:04 AM
Hi all you WGT members. My name is Jim (JimQ916) and I'm here to let you know the Country Club I am a member of is currently seeking friendly, dedicated members who are looking to join a CC or is not happy with the Club you're currently in and want a change. The name of our Club is Valley of the Sun Casual Country Club (VOTSCC). We are a small (cuyrrently 47 members) but a very member friendly Club where there is never an absence of abundant events to participate in. We always have in the area of 20 - 25 free CC Tournaments (and a few "pay to play" Tournaments) at all times and these Tournaments are set up in a user friendly format, meaning most if not all are set up with no more than moderate difficulty in an effort to help you hone your skills, lower your scoring average and most of all, just have fun. In addition to these tournaments we always have a weekly "Blitz", which runs M - F (and is addicting as all heck), Bracket Tournaments (both Stroke Play and CTTH) and Specialty Tournaments such as "Beginners Clubs / Balls only" and "CC vs CC" matches. Our Owner's name is Paul (PDB!) and he is constantly looking for new ways to make our Club more fun although he's banging his head against a wall because the Club is almost impossible to to make better. We have 7 Directors who attempt to help him out as much as can be done and we currently have 47 members of all skill levels (H - C). We are a lot more than a regular Club, meaning the our participation level is extremely high and we are more like friends who meet on the 1st tee than a cut throat Club as many in WGT are. We're on a first name basis and everyone knows all the members by name. I can go on and on about the Club but I think I've covered most everything having to do with us. In order to get into the Club all you have to do is get a hold of Paul and he'll send you an invite to join. I hope that some quality members join...you definately won't be sorry....thanks everyone...Jim
Check out this link....it covers everything you might want to know about our CC.....You'll be impressed at how much we have going on:
JIM'S CORNER....HOW TO HAVE FUN IN THE SUN
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jan 27 2017 10:10 PM

ARTWORK COURTESY OF THE LATE GR8 ANDYSON
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Jan 31 2017 11:30 AM
Lol Yes that is my post .
WE STILL HAVE THE T-BIRD
And so are the ones below . They may be corny . But they are fun . It ain't easy to recruit . So I'll try or say just about anything .
ARE YOU A SMALL STRUGGLING CC ?
It looks like introductions and invites to .............
AN OFFER YOU WILL LIKELY REFUSE
Valley of the Sun Casual Club
A PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GR8 AND THE TOURNEYS ARE ....
TIME TO SERIOUSLY LOOK A OUR CC
If you have a good air conditioner ( this one is one of andyson and my and others classics a must read ) .
Join the most NonExclusive Cub on ..............
Country Club Corner » Joining a country club
MAKING THE TURN
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Feb 26 2017 1:25 AM
I found 2 more 250 member CC's with abandoned owners . All with members showing some activity in 2017 . But none with anyone that had played more than about 4 or 6 rounds .
Those being the most active . Are not really good prospects for recruiting . But I messaged many of them anyway . No responses .
That brings me back here to C C Corner . Another long shot . If a player looking for a CC were to come to CC Corner . The likely hood that they would even hear about my little 35 member CC is not too good .
If I am patient long enough . Eventually that good list of players will happen across my path .
" the waiting is the hardest part "
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Mar 13 2017 10:32 AM
I just made a new post for middle and lower tiers . Who I have found to feel very alienated in their current CC's . Ignored , not responded to . Not assisted .
This I cannot understand . As these are the new heart and backbone of WGT . And should be treated as such . Like they are in VOTSCC . Always . With respect and listened to . A no brainer if you ask me .
Here it is
HAIL TO THE MIDDLE AND LOWER TIERS

Valley of the SUN Casual Club C C

All tiers are welcome . But this is mostly a message to middle and lower tiers .

We have a CC for everyone . Our tiered custom tourneys . And boatload of information . Make our tourneys the ultimate practice round that counts . The unlimited play feature is a very smart idea .

By using the restart option in the menu . That allows you to restart your round at any time during the round before the end of the 9th or 18th hole . Anything played does not count with no repercussions . Only the round you finish will count.

Game completion percentage is not enabled in unlimited play rounds . ( green , orange , yellow icon ) Are not effected .

If the round isn't going the way you like . You just restart it as many times as you like until you get a score you can live with . Finish the round . And it's the only one that counts

With custom tiered tourneys . Meaning the variables are adjusted differently on every course every time . This gives you the ability to hone and sharpen your game . Lower your scores , and move up in tiers .

All in a fun environment where all players are supporting and pulling for everyone . At all times . Every player has an equal voice .

For more information about this exciting CC . See our thread in CC Corner .

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites

Our homepage http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx

Our website
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/


Thank you

Paul

_________________
May the SUN always be with you
DirtyDuffer
874 Posts Tue, Mar 14 2017 10:30 AM
I play on aa iPad mostly (graphics are much better compared to my older mac) am I going to be limited on what tourneys I'll b able to participate in?

as a iPad user I'm limited on games I can play... alt shot, skins, best ball cant play

thanks

DirtyDuffer
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Mar 14 2017 11:59 AM
Unfortunately yes IOS and Android formats are completely different then the PC laptop format. As of now it is very limited there are courses and tournaments and formats that are not even close to being available hopefully at some point in the future they will be that's all I can say.

Although I am and always will be hardcore PC fan I have some very good members that are strictly mobile players in my CC I am pulling for them to get better and better formats and things available to them through their mobile play.

Paul

Sent by my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
DirtyDuffer
874 Posts Tue, Mar 14 2017 12:05 PM
Paul,

Are these mobile players able to play in your tourneys?
pdb1:

Unfortunately yes IOS and Android formats are completely different then the PC laptop format. As of now it is very limited there are courses and tournaments and formats that are not even close to being available hopefully at some point in the future they will be that's all I can say.

Although I am and always will be hardcore PC fan I have some very good members that are strictly mobile players in my CC I am pulling for them to get better and better formats and things available to them through their mobile play.

Paul

Sent by my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
111golfdemon
24 Posts Wed, Mar 15 2017 12:26 PM
Do you have teamspeak or some other voice communication.
Terry
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Mar 15 2017 12:39 PM

DirtyDuffer:

Paul,

Are these mobile players able to play in your tourneys?
pdb1:

Unfortunately yes IOS and Android formats are completely different then the PC laptop format. As of now it is very limited there are courses and tournaments and formats that are not even close to being available hopefully at some point in the future they will be that's all I can say.

Although I am and always will be hardcore PC fan I have some very good members that are strictly mobile players in my CC I am pulling for them to get better and better formats and things available to them through their mobile play.

Paul

Sent by my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge

Yes they are in fact quite a few of the tournament and courses are available to them. And several of them play all the time.

As a matter of fact right now we are working on a format to incorporate into our interplay matches that will include mobile players it is just about ready to be introduced it'll be the first of its kind anywhere I can't wait to announce it.

Paul

Sent by my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge

pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, Mar 15 2017 3:24 PM

111golfdemon:

Do you have teamspeak or some other voice communication.
Terry

I use Skype regularly . Have tried to introduce it or teamspeak many times in our CC . This bunch just doesn't go for it .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, May 29 2017 10:28 AM
Wow 9 weeks I have been absent from this thread . That is the longest yet .
I keep deleting all the pending recruits and saying I am done recruiting . Then i run across another CC with an abandon owner . I search the roster for any sign of recent activity . And invite those that have played in the last week .
I usually do about 20 to 50 in a sitting . Of which we will get maybe 5 players accept the invites . Of which only 1 if we are lucky will acknowledge us / me , play any CC tourneys . Or show any interest in being part of our CC at all .
So we sit at 40 members still . 40 gr8 members that get it . That is fine . But not really .
Just not active enough . We need about 80 . To be able to fill and have more full events .
It is too much to ask the 40 good members that we have to be involved in every damn thing .
CC vs CC Interplay
At least 2 running brackets
CC tourneys
multiplayer events
in CC challenges .
They already did that for such a long time . They need a little break . Or a long one .
With twice as many good members . That like CC events and formats . The burden would be distributed in a more casual and easy to do manner .
I have always known this . When we were at 60 about a year and a half to 2 years ago . That was a much better number than 40 .
Then some went about their way . And it has been the same ole same ole ever since .
Anyone that is a good CC prospect . Is already in a good CC Duh .
Because of the hundreds of other players we have run across . We are polite and hospitable . Patient and informative . And most all of them would not play CC tourneys . Would not respond to me or other members . Would not friend myself or other members . Just join and ignore everything else .
Lol . i am not even exaggerating . If they don't want to play with others , or talk to them , or even acknowledge them . Why join a CC in the first place ?
Anyway . I am the one that is losing interest now . Things are just too slow . Not just in the CC but all over WGT .
It used to be . Whatever I wasn't getting in one area . I had several other areas of high interest for myself and others to fill the void so to speak .
I thought for a while that what i needed was to get away from the CC . Get back into the game . Get lost in it for a while and do what i have to do to get to TL .
I don't think that is going to happen . For one thing I can't break myself off from the CC thing . Yet . Or ever if ever . Two I work too much and i have to sleep every night .
So I only have time to do CC stuff and play minimally . ( compared to what it takes to lower my average 2.23 points ) . Plus I don't have that drive for it anymore . I lost it . 20,000 missed putts has an adverse effect on ones motivation for some reason .
I am stuck in some sort of limbo . With not enough of everything I want to have driving me for more . Like it used to .
I will figure it out .
In the mean time . We have a gr8 CC . GR8 members . GR8 events . The coolest website in WGT . Is now a virtual ghost town .
Give us a try .
I invite you to take a look .

Our homepage http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx

Our website
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

Our CC Corner thread

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites
Please enjoy

Thank you

Play well and Have fun

Paul

_________________
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Jun 4 2017 7:14 AM
WOW ! Lol . Can you believe it is June 2017 alfreakin ready ? My how time flies in an alternate universe . Maybe it's really still 2016 ? I'll have to ask Yancy . Could be some what nots i missed .
So how the fck are you ? Damn peachy I'll bet . I'm happy for you . I am doing well as well thank you .
Ain't it just fitting that i get a rash of very welcome multiplayer alt shot and stroke invites from some of my favorite and upstanding friends . And i have been on for too long . I haven't cleaned and cleared . Or defragged my memory in a long while . And don't you know it ? I can't even get through 1 or 2 holes without 3 and out DQing . Ain't that a biotch ? It'll be a while till I hear from them again . Lol . Shheeeit . Damn . Oh well . I also think there were some server overloads that made it even harder to connect . But I will take most of the responsibility .
Recruiting

pdb1:
I usually do about 20 to 50 in a sitting . Of which we will get maybe 5 players accept the invites . Of which only 1 if we are lucky will acknowledge us / me

Had about 5 this week . Fit right in . Very promising . Looks like they will stay a while .
Very cool when that happens .
Our mobile division is growing nicely as well . Some fun and good players coming in . Some newbies as well . I do a lot to provide as much access to WGT as possible for the mobile players . That they otherwise may not ever be able to enjoy .
I figured out a way to incorporate mobile play into our
Valley of the SUN Casual Club Kick Ass Tours CC vs CC Interplay Series .
I have essentially ( but not technically ) broken the cross platform barrier . By creating an Interplay event played against other CC's that allow teams from the mobile division of both CC's to play concurrent with the main event . It worked amazingly well . And we hope to include this in all of our future CC vs CC Interplay events . Providing the opposing CC has some interested or any mobile players .
Here take a look .
WGT's first successful CC vs CC Interplay Mobile and PC Independent CLASH Event .
Was a lot of fun .
I have something else to share with you . We have a mobile player . From across the pond . Truly a fine chap . Mca19670 . His CC name is Martin the Mobile Maniac .
He has created the coolest weekly bulletin feature . It is called :

Weekly Bulletin .
I could post it here . But there have been 9 of them so far . You will have to go to our very safe and cool , informative and entertaining website to view them .
This is not a promo for the website . That is already standing on its own . But I will admit that I am promoting and bragging about this Bulletin . I am not sure but one may be required to sign in to the website to enjoy this Bulletin and possibly any of the other thousands of features to be found there . It makes no difference to me . The website has always been there . With the intention to be able to provide a free informational and entertaining site . With functions , features and information not found here . Things available to anyone who cares to utilize it . There are many members there from other CC's . Many not in CC's . And a couple that have never heard of WGT before . Lol .
To verify what I am saying . One would only need to peruse the member list . Pick from any of the players you recognize from other CC's . Message them and ask is this guy pdb1 is full of shyt ? And have they ever been bothered or inconvenienced or offered or asked to do anything in all the years they have been signed in there . See what they say .
The link to the Bulletin is
THE WEEK THAT WAS
There are 9 bulletins to date .
Please enjoy .
The link to the website is general is of course
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
That is all for now . I gotta go .
Please enjoy
Thank you
Play well and Have fun
Paul
_________________
May the SUN always be with you
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jun 9 2017 8:21 PM
There has been a little more activity everywhere lately . More CC activity . A half dozen new members . More multi player alt shot and stroke games . CC Corner has a few actively looking players .
These are all good signs . Hoping it is an upward trend .
If you are not familiar with myself or VOTSCC . Please read through this thread . For the most part you will,get an idea of how active we are and what a GR8 bunch of member / players we have .
One thing I usually fail to mention is that we are not a credit CC . Very few Premium tourneys . Our events are well made and a lot of fun . Friendly competitiveness . no minimums , no mandatories . no pressure , no purchases .
Check us out . Take a look . The links are above . Message me with any questions .
Please enjoy
All good all fun all the time .
_________________
May the SUN always be with you
90 Posts Sun, Jun 25 2017 4:43 PM
Time for me to throw in my 5 cents (we don't have nickels down under) about this wonderful CC.
I've only been a member for around 3 weeks, but it has everything u could possibly want or need from a CC.
Paul is a tireless worker and owner for the club, and my mind really boggles at the amount of effort & dedication he puts into it, day after day ... and it shows.
We currently stand at 54 members, mostly active & involved, with a vibrant forum that entails every possible topic and subject u could imagine.I agree with Paul that we should aim for a membership level around the 80 mark to take full advantage of the many many different formats of tournaments we have.
So then, if you're tired of playing alone, in an inactive CC, or simply not making as many genuine new friends as u would like, try VOTSCC, I highly recommend it :-)
Check out the 1st post of this thread for more info.
Carla
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jun 26 2017 12:19 PM
Thanx Carla .
Thank you for that very nice review / testimonial .
And thank you for choosing VOTSCC .
Things have been going very well . I have to give Carla half the credit .
With around a dozen new players . Carla is responsible for bringing in about half of them .
Very well done . And appreciated .
It would be nice to continue the growing trend
Please read some of the pages within to get more of an idea of some of what VOTSCC is about .
Thank you
Next260
2,159 Posts Fri, Jun 30 2017 6:05 PM
If you're wondering about or wanting to find a new country club;
Wonder or look no more, come join us in the Valley of the Sun , great people, mobile and pc players, free suntan ,no sunblock required.
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Jul 8 2017 4:41 PM
Bump . this is a great club, come check it out.
What have you got to lose???
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jul 8 2017 5:04 PM
GR8 idea Ron . Saves typing . 23 pages should speak for themselves .
JimQ916
9,914 Posts Sat, Jul 8 2017 5:48 PM
XXXXX

jm900king
10 Posts Sun, Jul 9 2017 2:03 PM
Hey everyone! I'm brand new to the CC and hope to meet a lot of friends, play a lot of golf and help contribute to the CC. Quick into... My name is Josh.. I'm 32, live in New Jersey by the shore. I'm a Union Carpenter and work in a oil refinery building scaffolding for Phillips 66. I love my job and love playing golf. Again, I'm very glad to be part of this CC. Hope to meet
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Jul 16 2017 10:03 PM
Bump for a great club, come on and check it out.
Chris1973M
1,832 Posts Mon, Jul 17 2017 9:52 AM
Dont for get to mention you give out free sunscreen and cry towels to all new members..lol thats what sold me back in the day Paul...jk Great CC to look at if your wanting to join one..alot good peeps at Valley of The Sun CC and alot to do.
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Jul 18 2017 2:18 PM
Thanks, I forgot about the sunscreen, you can keep the crying towel , we won't need it!
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Jul 18 2017 6:52 PM

Chris1973M:
thats what sold me back in the day Paul

Yes Chris I remember . But the heat was too much for you red headed freckled boys . Lol jk , not .

Thanx Chris . GR8 to hear from you .
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Jul 23 2017 8:30 AM
Bump for a great club.
Next260
2,159 Posts Fri, Jul 28 2017 5:24 PM

Next260:

Bump for a great club.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Jul 28 2017 6:21 PM
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Aug 5 2017 11:33 AM

pdb1:
Next260
2,159 Posts Fri, Aug 11 2017 5:46 PM

Next260:

Bump for a great club, come on and check it out.

by **Paul** Sun 13 Aug 2023, 1:35 am

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Aug 17 2017 5:42 PM

Next260:

Bump for a great club, come on and check it out.
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Aug 29 2017 4:10 PM

pdb1:

How about an update .
In the last couple of months . There was an unusual show of interest . Approximately 50 recruits showed up . We kept about 25 of them . Starting at about 38 . We are now at 63 . With some good new young members . And a few oldies .
Mostly newer lower tiers . Several older upper tiers . All seeming to fit in well .
Nice to be back above 60 again for the 3rd time . Could use a few more . They will come .
What happened to the other 25 ?
Once a recruit is accepted . There are several easy tasks to do before they become full members . And a couple givens .
The givens are to friend myself and our tournament director . I will try a couple few times and then stop to see it they ever attempt to . Of course until we / they are friends . There are no PM messages going on .
The 3 tasks are very simple .
1) Respond to the CC forum welcome link that I post on their wall .
PLEASE WELCOME NEW RECRUIT BILLYBOB . It is our way of shaking your hand and helping you to feel more at ease . And at home .
Many members reply and welcome each new recruit .
2) Play a CC tourney
3) Register in our cool and safe website .
That's it . Do those 3 and you become a full member .
After that . I trust that they will be accountable to be somewhat of a visible good CC member . They are on their own .
But those 3 tasks . Lol . Some would rather die . They will do 1 or 2 of them in any combination .
Then there are those that never play a CC tourney . Never respond to my PM's . Much less one CC forum welcome . Never register in the site .
Obviously not good fits for the CC .
Once a player is in . If they are new or somewhat new to WGT or even CC's .
The first half of page 1 of the CC forum sticky threads are filled with dozens of topical links , and tips and UIRL's . With every thing one could ever want to know about WGT and tiering up . Ranked and non counting rounds . Saturation . Unlimited play tourneys , match play , stroke play , alt shot , etc .
How to get to your ACCOUNT SETTINGS and CONTACT INFO . To be sure that you have the right settings to enable communication . Because if it looks like this .

There ain't no connecting going on .
Some still can't find that page .
So if they want info . Page 1 in the CC forum has it up the ying yang . There is no search feature in the CC forums . So the only way to find a topic of interest is to copy and paste the link into the sticky thread for that type of topic .
For other new players that already got it like that . Been around you know . They can just start playing any of our various CC tourneys , Stroke brackets , CTTH brackets , CTTH challenges , Daily BLITZ , CC vs CC Interplay Or other formats and events . Enough to keep plenty busy and have fun .
Unfortunately I can no longer boast about all the fun interaction amongst CC mates in multi player matches . Practically non existent .
Back in the day . That's all we did . We / I loved it . Couldn't get enough .
Different group or generation or something these days . Don't know what they're missing .
Not a money CC . We have very few credit purse rounds . We could . We just don't .
Mostly a place to work on your game with the well made unlimited play CC tourneys . Made different every time . Helps to learn a course inside and out .
And many other formats and events to keep one challenged and busy .
Pretty simple casual environment . Where every member is equally the same with out regards to tier or , longevity , age , gender , hair color , or any hair . Everyone has a voice .
Hermits are not acceptable . One must have a minimal amount of visibility .
But that's not too hard .
Check us out
Our homepage http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx

Our website
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

Our CC Corner thread

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites

Bump for a really great club
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Sep 17 2017 11:50 AM
How about an update .
In the last couple of months . There was an unusual show of interest . Approximately 50 recruits showed up . We kept about 25 of them . Starting at about 38 . We are now at 63 . With some good new young members . And a few oldies .
Mostly newer lower tiers . Several older upper tiers . All seeming to fit in well .
Nice to be back above 60 again for the 3rd time . Could use a few more . They will come .
What happened to the other 25 ?
Once a recruit is accepted . There are several easy tasks to do before they become full members . And a couple givens .
The givens are to friend myself and our tournament director . I will try a couple few times and then stop to see it they ever attempt to . Of course until we / they are friends . There are no PM messages going on .
The 3 tasks are very simple .
1) Respond to the CC forum welcome link that I post on their wall .
PLEASE WELCOME NEW RECRUIT BILLYBOB . It is our way of shaking your hand and helping you to feel more at ease . And at home .
Many members reply and welcome each new recruit .
2) Play a CC tourney
3) Register in our cool and safe website .
That's it . Do those 3 and you become a full member .
After that . I trust that they will be accountable to be somewhat of a visible good CC member . They are on their own .
But those 3 tasks . Lol . Some would rather die . They will do 1 or 2 of them in any combination .
Then there are those that never play a CC tourney . Never respond to my PM's . Much less one CC forum welcome . Never register in the site .
Obviously not good fits for the CC .
Once a player is in . If they are new or somewhat new to WGT or even CC's .
The first half of page 1 of the CC forum sticky threads are filled with dozens of topical links , and tips and UIRL's . With every thing one could ever want to know about WGT and tiering up . Ranked and non counting rounds . Saturation . Unlimited play tourneys , match play , stroke play , alt shot , etc .
How to get to your ACCOUNT SETTINGS and CONTACT INFO . To be sure that you have the right settings to enable communication . Because if it looks like this .

There ain't no connecting going on .

It should look like this

Some still can't find that page .
So if they want info . Page 1 in the CC forum has it up the ying yang . There is no search feature in the CC forums . So the only way to find a topic of interest is to copy and paste the link into the sticky thread for that type of topic .
For other new players that already got it like that . Been around you know . They can just start playing any of our various CC tourneys , Stroke brackets , CTTH brackets , CTTH challenges , Daily BLITZ , CC vs CC Interplay Or other formats and events . Enough to keep plenty busy and have fun .
Unfortunately I can no longer boast about all the fun interaction amongst CC mates in multi player matches . Practically non existent .
Back in the day . That's all we did . We / I loved it . Couldn't get enough .
Different group or generation or something these days . Don't know what they're missing .
Not a money CC . We have very few credit purse rounds . We could . We just don't .
Mostly a place to work on your game with the well made unlimited play CC tourneys . Made different every time . Helps to learn a course inside and out .
And many other formats and events to keep one challenged and busy .
Pretty simple casual environment . Where every member is equally the same with out regards to tier or , longevity , age , gender , hair color , or any hair . Everyone has a voice .
Hermits are not acceptable . One must have a minimal amount of visibility .
But that's not too hard .
Check us out
Our homepage http://www.wgt.com/clubs/valley_of_the_sun_casual_club/default.aspx

Our website
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/

Our CC Corner thread

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Sep 23 2017 3:29 PM
Come check it out , the best club in Wgt ( my opinion ). contact PDB1
Next260
2,159 Posts Thu, Oct 5 2017 3:43 PM
Bump for a great club
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Oct 8 2017 7:33 PM
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Oct 22 2017 10:59 AM
pdb1:

Back to the top for a great club
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Oct 30 2017 3:42 PM
A bump for a great club, come check it out . Contact PDB1
DonCaron
5,502 Posts Mon, Oct 30 2017 5:57 PM
This is a solid club people. PDB1 is one great club owner with a solid group of guys
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Nov 5 2017 5:33 PM
DonCaron:
This is a solid club people. PDB1 is one great club owner with a solid group of guys
Thanks for the good words DonCaron, very much appreciated. Bump for a great club.

Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Nov 18 2017 11:21 AM
Bump , Come check out a great club.
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Nov 26 2017 1:18 PM
To the top for a great club, come check it out , you won't be disappointed.
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Nov 28 2017 5:18 PM
Bump, no gimmicks, no surprises, just a really great club .
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Dec 3 2017 3:57 PM
Bump !!!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Thu, Dec 7 2017 2:14 PM
If you are looking for an active club , with great members, check us out.
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Dec 10 2017 5:00 PM

Next260:

If you are looking for an active club , with great members, check us out.

Bump
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Dec 17 2017 10:57 AM
To the top
also check this thread for more info:
THINGS GO BETTER WITH GIRLS
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Dec 17 2017 1:09 PM
Ron you look a little lonely being the only .
It's about time you get some relief . By me at least . Lol .
What a GR8 member Ron . Thank you very much . Thanx for all you do Ron .
VOTSCC does have a GR8 deal going on at all times . Well made CC tourneys . Stroke and CTTH brackets . Skills challenges .
We have 25 + CLASHers in our 50 player CC . Who yesterday were a little slow on the search trigger . Allowing time for only 10 CLASHES . But made up for it by scoring over 20,000 points in 10 CLASHes . With a 4 hour wait at the end and at 34th place. Our little 25 person CLASH team still ended up in 45th place .
Well done CLASHers . You Rock .
JimQ916
9,914 Posts Mon, Dec 18 2017 12:29 PM
Hi all you fellow WGT members. My name is Jim (JimQ916) and I'm here to let you know the Country Club I am a member of is currently seeking friendly, dedicated members who are looking to join a CC or is not happy with the Club you're currently in and want a change. The name of our Club is Valley of the Sun Casual Country Club (VOTSCC). We are a small (cuyrrently 47 members) but a very member friendly Club where there is never an absence of abundant events to participate in. We always have in the area of 20 - 25 free CC Tournaments (and a few "pay to play" Tournaments) at all times and most of these Tournaments are set up in a user friendly format, meaning most (although not all) are set up with no more than easy, moderate or hard difficulty (but none that are unplayable) in an effort to help you hone your skills, lower your scoring average and most of all, just have fun. In addition to these tournaments we always have a weekly "Blitz", which runs M - F (and is addicting as all heck), 2 Bracket Tournaments (both Stroke Play and CTTH) and Specialty Tournaments such as "Set of the week" and "CC vs CC" tournaments. Our Owner's name is Paul (PDB!) and he is constantly looking for new ways to make our Club more fun although he's banging his head against a wall because the Club is almost impossible to to make better. We have 7 Directors who attempt to help him out as much as can be done and we currently have 47 members of all skill levels (H - C) and genders. We are a lot more than a regular WGT Club, meaning the our participation level is extremely high and we are more like friends who meet on the 1st tee than a cut throat, crude Club as many in WGT are. We're on a first name basis and everyone knows all the members by name. I can go on and on about the Club but I think I've covered most everything having to do with us. In order to get into the Club all you have to do is get a hold of Paul and he'll send you an invite to join. I hope that some quality members join...you definately won't be sorry....thanks everyone...Jim
Check out this link....it covers everything you might want to know about our CC.....You'll be impressed at how much we have going on:
JIM'S CORNER....HOW TO HAVE FUN IN THE SUN
Charles1553N
1,288 Posts Thu, Dec 21 2017 6:45 PM
Hello everyone,

As we approach the end of the year, I'm taking some time to reflect on this game.
I joined WGT around the first of the year (2017). I only play on my iPhone, so I struggled with the game until I figured out that joining a country club would help. So I joined the first one I came across. This proved to be a very bad choice for me. The club was very stale and non commutative. But I didn't know any better. I stayed with them for a few months, it was OK. Again I didn't any different.
I finally started to look around at other country clubs. My head started spinning. They are so many different ones and types. Still I was in the dark.
I played a mobile player, I'm sorry I can't remember who, in late May of this year and I took notice of the country club they were a part of. The Valley of the Sun. Heck I live in the Valley of the Sun. I remember I was apprehensive to leave the club I was in. I took a chance and did it.
This has proved to be one of the best decisions I've made regarding WGT. This club is very active. I've progressed up from Pro to Legend while apart of this club. With the help of many current and former players. I've touted our club ever since.
I have really found a home here. My heart felt thanks to you Paul for all you have done and will continue to do for this club and for its members.
Merry Christmas to all
Charles

pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Dec 22 2017 10:19 AM
Right on Jim and Charles .
Jim is our Tournament Director and works tirelessly to keep our tourneys up and to keep us all informed .
Charles has been here just under 6 months . He is so involved in everything that it seems like years .
Charles is a mobile only player . And like the rest of our mobile division . You wouldn't know it . They are every bit as active and involved in the whole CC as our PC players . And more in some cases .
Thanx Guys
Paul
Merry Christmas
May the SUN always be with you
antoinettemaree
5 Posts Sat, Dec 30 2017 9:35 AM
Hi There... How do I go about to join your club??

Thanks
Antoinette
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Dec 30 2017 10:19 AM
Happy Holidays everyone, and bump to the top.
Come check out a great club.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Dec 30 2017 12:19 PM

antoinettemaree:

Hi There... How do I go about to join your club??

Thanks
Antoinette

Very good 1st post .
Invite on its way .
Next260
2,159 Posts Wed, Jan 3 2018 4:49 PM
Time to get the best back to the top
Come check out a great club
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Jan 8 2018 1:59 PM
Back to the top for a great club, come check it out!!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Fri, Jan 19 2018 3:52 PM
Bump back to the top for the club that rescued me from a dead club.
Come check it out!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Thu, Jan 25 2018 5:20 PM
Why is this fine club and thread on the second page ?
Bump back to the top
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Feb 1 2018 10:39 PM
I need to post this somewhere and hope it gets to the right people .
I painfully and emotionaly write this letter of explanation and likely farewell .
I will not get into boring details . But this stems from longtime injuries to my rotator cuffs .
My right one has been bad for years . My left one just recently caught up with it With its complete tear in September .
i have had useless physical therapy . And surgery prolonging cortisone treatments .
I worked as much as i could until January 19th . I could not move my arms another day .
Things had already found me in the red at that point . I had already initiated . workman's comp claim and some kind of Social Security claim . which will take every bit of the 6 months or more . To get denied .
So Jan 19th was my last working day I had already been working for months against my doctors wishes . I had bills to pay . Now i can't physically work . And Doc has ordered that .
I have my left arm surgery on February 16 at 2:00 PM . 3 months of rehabilitation . And i can hopefully get my right arm surgery as soon as possible .
At our age the shoulders , rotator cuffs can not heal , they continue to detiorate . causing scar tissue , calcium , abnormal shaping of the bone , atrophe , soft tissue .
Losing the use of the arm and range of motion until you can longer use them .
So the repairs are crucial . And serious rehabilitation to regain strength , range of motion , to as much as possible . So I can continue to work for 7 more years . Retire . And live my later years with the use of my arms .
That is my plan .
So back to January 19th . Can no longer work . Am already broke . Have lots of things to take care of .
IRL is defeating me . it is so tragic . I am now being reminded of what a cold , cruel world it is that we live in .
That WGT and VOTSCC are too much . I can no longer do this .
January 19th was my last day here .
This is February 1st . in 4 days on the 5th . My wife and i will be evicted . For failure to pay rent . I am $ 1100.00 behind . No money and no way to convince anyone to wait until a benefit kicks in .
This is so unbelieveable to us . I can't even pack my belongings because of my arms .
My wife has some serious health issues . Particularly allergy and immune sytem vulnerabilities . and cannot take too much exposure .
So before i am to the point where i may not even be around a computer . I already know I will not be returning here .
I never would have bet i would ever be saying that . Ever .
I just want to say good bye to the many many of you that have made these last 5 years for me . One of the GR8est experiences I will ever have in my life .
The positive impact this has had on me is immeasureable . The hundreds and literally thousands of WGTers I have encountered has been a pleasure .
I wish you all well .
Paul
May the SUN always be with you
this above is just the tip of the icebeg . from the frustrations of not being able to connect with my CC to arrange for a transfer of ownership , or even a temporary one . Which I desparately tried to do . i have to walk away not living up to my obligations .
Which is what it is . and will just have to be . because it is nothing compared to what i am facing daily . IRL . Which will now get my full attention .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Feb 3 2018 7:59 PM
If you think i am not shaking in my boots about being evicted on Monday . Think again .
I thought I was all good with the landlord . But she flipped the script .
We're too old for that . Oh sheeeit !
So my wife says " Make a gofundme "
So I did .
https://www.gofundme.com/unevictpaulandkaren
I have no idea what will happen .
You never know .
I also created a forum in the website to store updates and documents . A different view than the gofund me .
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/f72-unevictpaulandkaren
Our criteria is as good as any . It can't hurt .

by **Paul** Sun 13 Aug 2023, 1:43 am

pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Feb 6 2018 8:58 AM
From the thread
HELP WANTED JOB DESCRIPTION CC OWNER

To address the donor's for the gofund me . I only have to go to the WGT universe .
And announce that 100% of the donations to date have come from the GR8est group of people . Not only on the internet . But anywhere in the world . WGTers .
This is big for me . You have helped more than i can say . But I will say that a little peace of mind . And a glimpse of the forest through the trees . Is the most pleasant and reassuring state of mind i have felt in a while .
I have a ways to go in many issues before I am out of the woods .
But I owe you this update . And Karen and I could not be more gr8ful .
Thank you very much .
May peace , love , happiness , freedom and the SUN always be with you .
Paul and Karen
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Feb 12 2018 4:39 AM
Back to the top for a great club.

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites pages 1 - 35.5 U5453491_20230813_005438.jpg?0.167

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites pages 1 - 35.5 USA.gif?0.167

pdb1
25,122 Posts

Thu, Feb 22 2018 8:35 AM

ON MONDAY I ACCIDENTALLY DELETED 164 OF YOU MEMBERS .

Yes that's right . I was in a section of the AMINISTRATIVE PANEL . I was sorting out a couple groups of members .
As I checked certain members off of the list I was looking at . I didn't realize that I had been deleting the members that I clicked .
Now because of the area I was in in the AP . The utilities restore feature cannot recover these accounts .

To me this is devastating .

In this site . One is not required to post or do anything that shows activity .

These lost members were members for years because they wanted to . Because they knew they could come here at anytime . To get some information , read some entertainment , relive some memories in one of the memorials . etc .

Without pressure of any sort . To make a purchase . Or to do anything .

Have a safe spam free account here forever .

Most of these were ex VOTSCC members

. Or many other various WGT friends I have encountered over the years .

I do not have a list of these members . I will never get them back . It is a sad loss for me . Even though they were not " ACTIVE " . They didn't need to be . They kept their accounts for a reason .

What they will get is this email .

VALLEY of the SUN C C invites pages 1 - 35.5 Https-valleyofthesun.forumotion.co.uk-u0

Valley of the Sun Casual Club

Hello ?,

Your account on "Valley of the Sun Casual Club" has been removed by a administrator, this is probably due to inactivity on the forum.

If you wish to be an active part of our community again, then please re-register using this link:
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/register

--
May the SUN always be with you

UGH
Most of those are not going to see this .
So I guess I will do a little promoting . Very little .
I invite anyone that hasn't seen or visited
Valley of the Sun Casual Club
To check it out . Go ahead and sign in . Nothing will ever be asked of you .
Below are a few links to various forums .
Enjoy

VALLEY OF THE FUN

CRAZY WGT ***

YANCYCAAN FILM FESTIVAL

TO ART OR NOT TO ART : ASK ANDYSON

DON"T CHOKE IT "JOKE IT "

HEY JOE

TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY TIPS FROM THE DOCTOR OF TECHNOLOGY AZDEWARS

_________________
May the SUN always be with you

pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Feb 22 2018 10:32 AM
Good news . Support was able to recover all lost accounts .

YAY !
Charles1553N
1,288 Posts Thu, Feb 22 2018 11:03 AM
Nice!
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Feb 22 2018 4:19 PM

Charles1553N:

Nice!

Yes it is Charles . It felt wrong to have deleted them like that .
But it is all solved now .
Faasda01
89 Posts Thu, Feb 22 2018 8:19 PM
pdb1 would love to be a part of valley of the sun, who do I need to get with to make that happen?
Bowl64
3,070 Posts Fri, Feb 23 2018 12:48 AM
Nice to hear Paul )

Bjorn
pdb1
25,122 Posts Fri, Feb 23 2018 10:20 AM

Faasda01:

pdb1 would love to be a part of valley of the sun, who do I need to get with to make that happen?

Looks like you have found your way .
Welcome
Please enjoy
Paul
May the SUN always be with you
Next260
2,159 Posts Wed, Mar 7 2018 5:20 PM
As anyone can see , a really good club, back to the top.

Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Mar 17 2018 5:02 PM
In a dead club ? , looking for something more ?
Check out Valley of the Sun
Bump back to the top!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Mar 24 2018 5:23 AM
A bump for a great club
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Mar 27 2018 2:47 PM
Needed bump back to the top for a great club
Next260
2,159 Posts Thu, Apr 5 2018 3:15 PM
Looking for active members of all tiers, if you want to tier up , play lots of different tourneys, or just want to be part of a great group of people
Come check us out
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Apr 10 2018 2:32 PM

Next260:

Looking for active members of all tiers, if you want to tier up , play lots of different tourneys, or just want to be part of a great group of people
Come check us out
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Apr 16 2018 4:29 PM

Next260:

In a dead club ? , looking for something more ?
Check out Valley of the Sun
Bump back to the top!!

If you've not heard anything from your club in 2 weeks , and the last post in yor club forum is a week old , you may be in a dead club.

Come check us out !!!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Apr 22 2018 8:55 AM
Bump for a great club , come check us out!
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, May 1 2018 3:17 PM
Back to page 1 for a great club
northernpainter
1,464 Posts Wed, May 2 2018 10:54 AM
I can't say enough about this Club. If you are looking for a CC where everyone is welcomed with open arms, achievements are recognized every step of the way, a very passionate and committed Leadership that goes above and beyond to ensure that everything and anything you need to know is available to you, an active forum that is both informative and sometimes just plain fun and lastly but the glue that holds everything together.....an Owner who cares.........then look no further.
We have an awesome group of players both pc and mobile. Although not required to participate... with our small group we place incredibly well in the Clash events.
Very little is asked of you..........friend the owner and Jim our Tourney Director. Respond to your Forum welcome when you join and make yourself visible now in then in the Forum by welcoming new members as you will be welcomed, congratulating achievements of your team mates as you will be congratulated and responding to forum posts if it is asked of you. Lastly you are asked to register in our Website.
You won't be disappointed
Christine
Next260
2,159 Posts Wed, May 9 2018 8:55 AM
All tiers , all levels ; Come check us out.
We have something for almost everyone, daily Blitz series, uneven lies and other tournaments.
You don't know what you're missing.

Ron

northernpainter
1,464 Posts Fri, May 11 2018 11:46 AM
doylerc
1,130 Posts Sun, May 13 2018 11:36 AM
As there is only 5% European members in the CC is that because of Time Zone difference and members not being able to play with each other?
Doyler
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, May 13 2018 5:14 PM

doylerc:

As there is only 5% European members in the CC is that because of Time Zone difference and members not being able to play with each other?
Doyler

Very odd and timely . Your inquiry . As it is the current discussion in our Cc forum as well .
There is no particular reason for any % of types of players here .
there is a problem with players not being able to play one another though .
That is caused by a lack of commitment to this format .
There was a time when multiplayer was prominent here in this CC . And was one of the main draws and brought a GR8 deal more excitement to an already strong and fun CC with a wide range of variety to offer its diverse members .
But at some point in time . As has happened throughout all of WGT . There has been a strange drop in popularity in multiplayer site wide .
There are various theories and reasons for this . Including the aforementioned lack of commitment .
But there are other factors in play as well .
The invite icon has been a big problem from the start of WGT .
Its placement on the WGT tab page . Requires one to be staring at the icon at all times so as not to miss the little tiny green icon when an invite has been made .
At this moment in response to your inquiry it is above my line of sight . I could be missing several invites as I respond to you .
And has been the cause of many disputes oif players claiming to be available but not responding to invites . This occurs hundreds of times per day .
A better location for the icon . On the top and bottom of the page would solve that missing the icon issue .
A pop up for invites . Would also be an alternative .
We have had as many as 40 % European members in our CC at times .
But our membership is like a revolving door . As we ask a certain amount of accountability here .
We do not require the use of any passes at any time . That is completely up to the player and his or her personal needs for equipment and the XP race in general .
We do not have any mandatory minimums for events or tournaments
Because of the fact that there is a good many players / members that are aware that there are many components that go into making a group successful .
We do ask for some accountability . in the way of presence and communication .
This seems to be a very hard task for the average WGTer . As we have had enough players to make 2 250 members CC's come through here . But they would be non playing and non communicating CC's .
Which we are not .
We are a 50 to 60 member CC . Which the size in itself makes multiplayer a harder format to play .
There is much more to VOTSCC than the multiplayer . Which is something i do encourage and always have . I still get some in CC multiplayer in . but mostly I play with my WGT friends . Which is as fun and satisfying as any .
But even the typical site wide efforts to play multiplayer have diminished over the last couple years . many times impossible to get that 4th player .
More tell tale signs of a struggling format .
So sad .
Paul
BobbyWiser
10 Posts Sun, May 13 2018 6:19 PM
very well put paul, i find it easier to play a Multiplayer game , with 3 other Total Srangers.
Cause........ 3 strangers playin together, can be a real Cool Time
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, May 14 2018 2:32 PM
Thanx Bobby .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, May 19 2018 10:18 PM

doylerc:

As there is only 5% European members in the CC is that because of Time Zone difference and members not being able to play with each other?
Doyler

After I replied to you . I got to thinking that I wanted to point out that Time Zones do not have to be a factor or a barrier .
In fact it may be easier to set up a round with someone half way around the world . Then with someone right under your nose .
I don't think Europeans are not signing in to VOTSCC .
My calculations have our CC with 36 % non Americans .
FYI .
36 % foreign . Sounds much better than 5 % European .
shampeee
2 Posts Tue, May 22 2018 5:41 PM
would like to join please!
pdb1
25,122 Posts Wed, May 23 2018 1:49 PM

shampeee:

would like to join please!

Your request has been accepted .
Now you will need to check your WGT profile wall . To see the messages there that have been left for you .
Respond to them accordingly .
Once we are friended . You will also get PM's from my self and our tournament director .JimQ916
These wall posts and messages . Will all appear in your email that you signed into WGT with .
Please enjoy
Paul
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, May 28 2018 6:43 AM
We are a 57 member level 18 very active club.
If you are looking to improve your game , move up in tiers or just have fun with a great group of people.
Come check out Valley of the Sun Casual Club.
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Jun 2 2018 2:36 PM

Next260:

We are a 57 member level 18 very active club.
If you are looking to improve your game , move up in tiers or just have fun with a great group of people.
Come check out Valley of the Sun Casual Club.

Bump to the top for a fine club

by **Paul** Tue 15 Aug 2023, 2:50 pm

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Jun 2 2018 7:27 PM
Thanx Ron . Very appreciated .
BTW Congrats on making Tour Master . Enjoy it while you can .
Paul
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Jun 3 2018 4:11 PM
Thanks Paul , I probably would not have made Tour Master without the help of the member and leadership of the Valley of the Sun CC.
jacktrade51
10,421 Posts Sun, Jun 3 2018 9:12 PM
I can't join VOTCC since I am a club owner plus (biased) I think my club is better, but it is a great website and one can learn from checking it out.
Tom.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jun 4 2018 5:01 PM
Thanx for that Tom . I admit though it could use a little updating . But it is still there for the benefit of anyone that chooses to or finds anything of interest to them .
Thanx
Paul
home of
https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com/
_________________
May the SUN always be with you

My shoulder xray front view 07 / 02 / 2018 . 10 minutes before removing 25 staples . ( staples still visible .

LuckySkreet:
strong encouragement to contribute to bogus and fleecing GoFundMe accounts......?

This is my last post in WGT .

Due to my very bad IRL luck . I am now without a home , internet , phone , income . When the repo guy finds me I will no longer have a car .
The ladies phone I am borrowing for this hotspot has 4 % left on her battery .

Since I can no longer play .

And the fact that WGT member services supports the degredation and discrediting , defamation of myself and my good name .From the person above and many others .

I can no longer support or tolerate this WGT .

If in the future I regain my internet . I will not return here .

I have transferred ownership of VOTSCC to a capable very good person .

I will also be deleting my account .

I wish to say good bye to all the wonderful people I have had the privelage to share , learn , play , converse , joke and meet over the last 5 years with .

It has been a very memorable experience . One which I will cherish many good memories .

May peace , love , happiness , freedom and the SUN always be with you .

Paul D Boppart
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Jun 17 2018 12:40 PM
Want to improve your game , tired of the requirements ( buy and use cc passes ),
want to meet and play with some great people ?
Come check out Valley of the Sun Casual Club !!
ct690911
7,068 Posts Sun, Jun 17 2018 12:49 PM

Next260:

Want to improve your game , tired of the requirements ( buy and use cc passes ),
want to meet and play with some great people ?
Come check out Valley of the Sun Casual Club !!

Most clubs don't require the purchase of passes. They ask only that members use their free passes to benefit the CC...hardly an onerous "requirement"
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Jun 26 2018 4:34 PM
Bump for a great club
Next260
2,159 Posts Thu, Jul 5 2018 4:30 PM
Lots of new things happening in the Valley; Come check it out!
Next260
2,159 Posts Wed, Jul 11 2018 5:52 PM
Bump to the top
LuckySkreet
595 Posts Thu, Jul 12 2018 12:19 AM

ct690911:

Next260:

Want to improve your game , tired of the requirements ( buy and use cc passes ),
want to meet and play with some great people ?
Come check out Valley of the Sun Casual Club !!

Most clubs don't require the purchase of passes. They ask only that members use their free passes to benefit the CC...hardly an onerous "requirement"

Pass purchase requirements and strong encouragement to contribute to bogus and fleecing GoFundMe accounts......? Nice.............

Next260
2,159 Posts Fri, Jul 13 2018 5:06 PM

LuckySkreet:
strong encouragement to contribute to bogus and fleecing GoFundMe accounts......?

A cheap shot Lucky, have you any proof of such ??
ct690911
7,068 Posts Sun, Jul 15 2018 3:48 PM
"WGT member services has betrayed me ...".
Along with his landlord, insurance company, bank, doctors, his own CC, posters in the forum, etc.
...Somebody get this dude a mirror. The problem will then be clear.
Fencer100
2,062 Posts Mon, Jul 16 2018 1:19 AM

ct690911:

"WGT member services has betrayed me ...".
Along with his landlord, insurance company, bank, doctors, his own CC, posters in the forum etc.
...Somebody get this dude a mirror. The problem will then be clear.

+1
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Jul 16 2018 2:44 PM
twinponds169
2,966 Posts Mon, Jul 16 2018 3:03 PM
Somebody should be very careful about posting in this forum for another person who is banned from posting in this forum. The other thread you started for him has already disappeared. You seem like a good guy in your history here, be careful about being subjected to moderation. If the person is banned from posting in the forum then surely it is not allowable for another to post for him.
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Jul 16 2018 4:02 PM
You have a point, Paul messaged me and asked me to post this , I don't know if it violates any rule.
Anyhow he is gone and has shut down his account.
The club is under new management and looking for members.
To the moderators: No malice wa intended or should be inferred.
Next260
2,159 Posts Mon, Jul 16 2018 4:14 PM
Post deleted
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Jul 22 2018 8:47 AM
Valley of the Sun is under new ownership and looking for members of all levels , who like to play .
Come check it out!
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Jul 28 2018 3:32 PM
Back to the top for a great club
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Jul 30 2018 8:50 AM
twinponds169
29 Jul 2018 @ 10:43 PM
"I Can Honestly Say......."
I never dreamed that I would one day be wishing for a bridge collapse.
****************************************************************************************
The bridge has collapsed . I get it . My needs and desires to mend and repair and bridge the gaps . Is no more . Here in WGT .
I had a good run . I was able to happily and positively learn and create and give and receive . Input and change . Discuss and debate . All with the some of the most intelligent and resourceful , personable , respectful , generous and caring individuals I could have ever met in one community .
When that changed into hostility , negativity , lies and disdain .
Out of my control . Over the top .Beyond maturity and reason . To be unable to stop or talk or find common ground . This became something I could no longer be involved with .
Not being able to log on to the game client already . For lack of a strong enough internet connection . Had already halted my ability to play and enjoy this game I love so much .
I made a very difficult choice . One that turned out to be something that took months for me to actually decide and act on .
Because of my burning passion to continue to help to provide for others . As GR8 of an experience as possible for others to learn and enjoy and spend their time at WGT .
What I / we had been doing with much pleasure and success at The Valley of the SUN Casual Club for 4 years .
Was extremely hard to let go of . Many would have no idea . Some of which helped to make that decision much easier . But it wasn't a farewell party . That's for sure .
I have relinquished ownership to Charles1553N . Surprisingly a mobile only player . But like our other mobile players . For years now their involvement in the CC is as fully involved as our PC players . Most wouldn't know they are mobile players unless they told you .
In good hands with the rest of the crew .
Aside from this post . And another that had conspiracy inquiries .And a few friends that I correspond via our PM's .And will soon convert to strictly email very soon . Which BTW is no fun without my phone . Generally not a phone person . But they are sure necessary . Without one . I am somewhat paralyzed . Communication IRL is so key . As it is anywhere . Even here . Lol . Which many do not agree with . Good thing most do .
But essentially I am gone . About to fade out for good .
Good bye to all the hundreds of wonderful people whose paths I have crossed . You all had a very positive impact on my life in our time here . Something I will never forget .
Thank you
Paul

Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Aug 7 2018 5:40 PM

Next260:

Valley of the Sun is under new ownership and looking for members of all levels , who like to play .
Come check it out!

Come check it out

bump
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Aug 12 2018 2:17 PM
Bump
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Aug 18 2018 2:06 PM
Bump for a great club!!!!!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Wed, Aug 22 2018 3:43 PM
Come check us out , you won't be sorry!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Tue, Aug 28 2018 4:57 PM
Time to bump back to the top
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Sep 1 2018 12:26 PM
Bump for a great club !!!!!
Next260
2,159 Posts Fri, Sep 7 2018 4:48 PM
BUMP
Next260
2,159 Posts Wed, Sep 12 2018 4:10 PM
Back to the top for a great club
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Sep 16 2018 9:06 AM
Bump
Looking for a great club ?
Come check us out!
Next260
2,159 Posts Sat, Sep 22 2018 5:14 PM
The Phoenix arises from the ashes::::
Come check out one of the best clubs in WGT universe

by **Paul** Tue 15 Aug 2023, 3:00 pm

pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Dec 15 2018 5:51 PM
I have tried to post in a couple posts in the forum lately . To no avail . But since I am the OP of this one . They may let it through .
I just want to wish all of you a merry , peaceful and safe holiday season for you and yours.
May the new year bring the best of times .
Paul .
GARYC147
146 Posts Sun, Feb 17 2019 7:12 AM
My posts do not seem to be going thru. I would like to give your club a try.
Charles1553N
1,289 Posts Sun, Feb 17 2019 2:06 PM
We would love to have come take a look.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Feb 17 2019 8:23 PM

GARYC147:

My posts do not seem to be going thru. I would like to give your club a try.

Charles1553N:

We would love to have come take a look.

http://www.wgt.com/clubs/home.aspx?id=148446
chaser040912
5 Posts Fri, Mar 8 2019 8:16 PM
Would like to check out your CC.
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Mar 9 2019 12:37 PM

chaser040912:

Would like to check out your CC.

Valley of the SUN Casual Club CC would be happy to have you .
Please contact Charles1553N . As I am no longer with WGT .
Charles is the owner now .
Thanx
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sat, Apr 27 2019 1:06 PM
Big congrats to Charles1553N and the rest of the VOTSCC gang . Membership has grown to 106 members . ( all time biggest ) . With seemingly only about 9 or less with inactivity .That is awesome . WAY TO GO !
It would have been hypocritcal of me to have remained a member when I left . By not playing .
Sadly I have lost contact with most of the CC . ( as expected , that's just what happens ) .
But you guys are doing GR8 . Very happy to see that . I get the best rushes from my memories of the CC and everyone else in WGT that I had so much fun with for over 5 years .
Love you all . Always .
Paul
pdb1
25,122 Posts Tue, Nov 26 2019 5:56 AM
It appears that VOTSCC may have met its fateful demise . TAPS is playing in the background right now . I'm going to take a moment......
I will miss it .
I have just posted a congrats in Johns New Home for VOTSCC Dwellers .
( after moderation of course . )
GR8 success to all wherever you end up .
However I could not find "Jolly Jim's Casual Club " .
Someone will message me .
May the SUN always be with you .
Paul
jacktrade51
10,421 Posts Sat, Nov 30 2019 8:25 PM
jolly jims … no apostrophe
Next260
2,159 Posts Sun, Dec 1 2019 3:29 PM
This club no longer exists.
PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE !!!!!!!!!

DonCaron
5,502 Posts Sun, Dec 1 2019 5:00 PM

pdb1:
However I could not find "Jolly Jim's Casual Club " .

Jolly Jims
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Dec 1 2019 5:02 PM

DonCaron:
Jolly Jims

AH HA ! There it is .
Thanx Don .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Sun, Dec 1 2019 5:07 PM
And Jack .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Mon, Dec 2 2019 4:42 PM

Next260:

This club no longer exists.
PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE !!!!!!!!!

That is not necessary . VOTSCC may no longer exist . But this thread is an old favorite of mine and an easy way in to WGT for me . A positive thread for me or whoever happens across it and wants to leave a message . Shouldn't bother anyone .
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jan 2 2020 5:32 PM
HAPPY NEW DECADE . To everyone . Have a wonderful time in the 2020's .
Paul and Karen .
Stefano123
302 Posts Thu, Jan 2 2020 6:05 PM
Thank you, happy new year 2020, with good health, good games ..

Stefano123 (sef)..
pdb1
25,122 Posts Thu, Jan 2 2020 7:38 PM
Right On !
On another note . ander101 posted a thread Sending game invites . I responded with the below thread as reference . Although I am not optimistic it will get posted . I hope it does .

To see a true classic . THERE HAS GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY.
The thread brings back many fond memories . It should be taken lightly .
Seriously fond memories .
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