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Diamondbacks outfielder Corbin Carroll wins NL Rookie of the Year


He came into the year favored to win and came through. Arizona's Corbin Carroll is the NL's Rookie of the Year! Here are some of the top moments from his rookie year







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PHOENIX — Arizona Diamondbacks outfielder Corbin Carroll came into the 2023 season as the favorite to win the National League's Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year.  
And Carroll did nothing but deliver, hitting .285 with 25 home runs, 76 RBI, 116 runs scored and 54 stolen bases. He led the D-backs not only to the postseason for the first time since 2017 but also their first World Series berth since 2001. 


Now, Carroll has done was he was predicted to do in Spring Training, as he was named the NL's Rookie of the Year on Monday.  He is the first Diamondback to win the award.  
Carroll was the unanimous choice for Rookie of the Year, receiving all 30 first-place votes. On a conference call with reporters, Carroll said he was honored to be selected as the NL's top rookie. 
"It means a lot to me," Carroll said. "You (reporters) are the ones behind the scenes with years and years of experience who are deciding what makes a player, who's valuable. And for you guys to view me in that way, it means a lot to me. Especially in a year like this where I felt like even beyond the three nominees, there were so many more talented rookie players this year."
Carroll beat New York Mets pitcher Kodai Senga, who finished second, and Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder James Outman, who finished third, for the award. 
Others receiving votes included Colorado's Nolan Jones, Cincinnati's Matt McLain, Spencer Steer and Elly De La Cruz, Miami's Eury Perez, and San Francisco's Patrick Bailey. 
You can find the full voting details here.  


Carroll added that reason the Rookie of the Year award means so much to him is due to the fact that his favorite player as a child, Ichiro Suzuki, won it in his rookie year with the Seattle Mariners. 
"Being able to be listed with players like that, who I looked up to, that that means a lot to me," Carroll said. "Having my name next to (Ichiro) in some way,  he inspired a young Seattle kid and hopefully I can do that for the next generation."  
Carroll also detailed what he hopes the next generation of baseball stars learn from him.  


"(I'm) not the biggest guy out there in the field, but my ability to not be that guy and still be able to impact the game," Carroll said. "That's one piece of it. (There are) not too many Asian Americans in this circumstance, you know, I think that's another piece of it that I hope to inspire. And also just the style of play, right? Like, just with the respect for the game, going out there and giving your 110%. That's something that I also hope that people take from that."
The 23-year-old was Arizona's top prospect and made his MLB debut on August 29, 2022, just three years after being drafted by the D-backs with the #16 overall pick in the 2019 MLB Draft. 
Carroll rocketed through the D-backs' minor league system, showing off incredible speed and showing why he was one of the top prospects in the 2019 draft out of Lakeside High School in Seattle. 
Since Carroll had less than 130 at-bats in the majors after his debut in 2022, his rookie season became 2023 and Carroll became one of the most talked about members of a D-backs team looking to continue their rise after losing 110 games in 2021 and 88 games in 2021.    

A look back at Corbin Carroll's rookie season

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Carroll made waves from the very first series of the season when he stole three bases in one game against the Dodgers at Dodger Stadium on April 2. 
The next night, the D-backs were in San Diego and Carroll hit his first home run of the season. 
That was just the beginning for Carroll, as he continued to make headlines all season long. 
On April 6, the day of the D-backs home opener, Carroll was dropped off at Chase Field by his parents. 
He hit his first home of the season at Chase Field on April 7, the second of back-to-back home runs off Dodgers pitcher Clayton Kershaw.  
On April 28, Carroll showed off his speed, almost catching teammate Geraldo Perdomo as they rounded the bases and scored on a Josh Rojas double. 


Carroll walked off the Rockies on June 1 to complete Arizona's first four-game sweep of Colorado since 2002. 
Carroll's first grand slam and multi-home run game came in Detroit just eight days later and helped him earn the title of NL Player of the Week. 
And then in July, Carroll started in left field for the National League in the 2023 All-Star Game in his hometown of Seattle. 


But as with any season, there were some downs for Carroll. He had an injury scare after crashing into the Coors Field wall in late April, after a swing in early July and after getting hit by a pitch in September. But Carroll bounced back from all of that along with the D-backs' midseason slump to help the team clinch the final Wild Card spot and first playoff berth in six years on the second-to-last day of the regular season. 
Arizona finished with a record of 84-78, their best record since 2019. Carroll was the first rookie ever with 25 or more home runs and 50 or more stolen bases. He led all NL rookies in hits, extra-base hits, runs and wins above replacement (WAR).  
The D-backs made the most out of their trip to the playoffs, sweeping the Brewers in the NL Wild Card Series and the Dodgers in the NL Division Series before beating the Phillies in seven games in the NL Championship Series. They then advanced to the World Series where they lost to the Texas Rangers in five games.  
Carroll hit .273 in the playoffs with two home runs, 10 RBI and five stolen bases. He scored 11 runs.    
Carroll said he was emotional after the loss to the Rangers in Game 5 of the World Series, which is why he did not speak with reporters after the game. 
"I knew that I would probably cry if I had to talk to anyone," Carroll said, adding that the night of Game 5 was the first time he had cried in years. The second came right before Monday's call with reporters when he was thanking family and friends for supporting him this season. 


When looking back on his rookie year, Carroll said he had one overwhelming emotion come over him: pride. 
"I think within a few days, that was kind of the overwhelming emotion was just proud of our group, proud of what we have accomplished," Carroll said. "Proud of what we've done for the city of Phoenix and the state of Arizona, and just kind of the way that we saw the whole community rally around us. I think all those things just made me feel proud about the year we had." 
Carroll will be back on the field with the D-backs when they open Spring Training play against the Colorado Rockies on February 23 at Salt River Fields at Talking Stick in Scottsdale.


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D-backs earn another first-round draft pick

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Baltimore Orioles shortstop Gunnar Henderson was the winner for AL Rookie of the Year. He was also a unanimous selection. This is the fifth time both Rookie of the Year winners were unanimous selections. 
The D-backs also earned an extra first-round pick in the 2024 MLB Draft due to MLB's Prospect Promotion Incentive.  
Carroll said that draft pick was a major reason why he wanted to chase this award in particular. 
"That's probably what brought the most weight to chasing something like this for me," Carroll said. "Not for the personal fame, or, you know, attention, but for that ability to benefit my team." 
Carroll continued saying he hopes to play for the D-backs long enough that the player selected with that draft pick ends up being one of his teammates.  
Carroll also views this award as a thank you to the D-backs' front office for believing in him this year, especially when it came to signing him to an [url=https://www.mlb.com/news/corbin-carroll-extension-with-d-backs#:~:text=The D%2Dbacks and Carroll,pact for '29%2D31.]eight-year, $111 million contract extension[/url] during Spring Training. 


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WGT FORUM THREAD How to properly use chip and pitch clubs: A guide V2.0

iconian 599 Posts

Sun, Jan 3 2010 4:34 PM

*This has been fairly popular. I finally have some free time to properly update it with more readable language and better formatting. A special thank you goes to drivnchaos for his help with the wording.*
I know many of you have trouble figuring exactly how the chip and pitch shots work. Since all clubs have different distances, when using the chip or pitch shot, this will be a general guide. If you use this as a guideline, and practice a bit, you should be able to improve your short game.
During the first section of this guide we'll be using the standard clubs, standard green speed and standard ball. Later on the different green speeds and balls will be covered. Due to green speed changes, at the end of this guide, I will update with the details on how to adjust it.
If you do not read the last paragraph if this guide, then you might as well close the window now!
I'll start with the chip shot:
The chip shot gives about 25% air travel, the rest is time spent rolling on the green. Chip shot is most important when a person in on a fringe and has a putt with major break and/or elevation change. It allows you to carry few yards in the air, bypass all the nasty elevation/break and then land on green and roll in the roll. This means an accurate read of the green is needed when using this. Since the air time is so short, the distance from the green is also a big factor. If you are more than 2yds off the green, do not use the chip shot. The pitch shot is the better option.
 
Most often the chip is played using a wedge, but can be played with any iron. Remember that the ball spends alot of time on the green when chipping so the right/left break must be read accurately. It is probably best not to go any higher than a 9 or 8 iron for this reason. ie:
You're trying to chip a 35yd shot. Your ball will land about 9 yrds away, and roll another 26 yds. That's a 78 ft roll where the break of the green will influence your shot.
The distance of each club is the distance when playing from the fairway, to a level target. If You are standing on the fairway, the hole is 17yds away, and the elevation is 0, your shot should go about 17yds. Since this is usually not the given lie, here are a few things to factor into your shot.

• 1) What is your lie in the rough and how far away is the green. Remember if you are more than 2yds from the green, don't use the chip.
  
• 2)What is the elevation difference.
  
• 3)What is the break of the green where your shot will first hit the green. The break may be slight near the hole, but remember that the ball rolls for 75% of the shot. Try dragging the aim arrow to where you think the ball will touchdown, and check the break there also.
  
• 4)Always practice using 1 type of chip. I always use backspin, very rarely using topspin or no spin, so all distances givin are using backspin.
  

With these things in mind, here are a couple of examples. For these I'll be using a 17yd chip shot
A) You have a 13yd chip from 40/50 rough and the hole is 1ft below you. Your ball is on the edge of the rough, so there should be no problem using the chip shot. Now since you're in the 40/50 rough, more power is needed, but the hole is downhill so there is more run involved. That's the tricky part.
In general the 40/50 rough requires 40% more power to get the distance you want.That means in order to go 13yds, A shot with 19yds of power is needed. Remember this is with 0 elevation change.
The hole being 1ft lower than the ball means that a full 17yd chip shot from the fairway, would run to about 20yds. This is where practice is needed.
Knowing that the ball will go 20yds due to the downslope, and knowing more power is needed to release the ball from the rough, you need to find the midpoint of the 2 shots. From experience I've found that hitting with 15yds of power, and full backspin, I can drop it within 3ft 8 out of 10 times. Remember that this is a shot with no left/right break.
B) This one you're on the fairway chipping to an uphill green with a break to the right. A good example of this is Bethpage hole #11.
You're about 19yds short and the hole is 2ft uphill. The green breaks hard left to right. Remember that hitting uphill will require more power, but since you're on the fairway, not alot more. Also, the break will add distance to the shot. 1yd per foot uphill, and since I'm aiming about 1yd to the left, I'll add an extra yd. Thats 3yds extra power, aiming to the left about a yard. Usually this gets me up close to the hole. The best thing here is practice.
The thing to think about with chipping is this. It is a recovery shot. You have missed the green with your first, second, or third shot, and now you just want to save par. Getting it close to the hole, for an easy putt, is the important part. Course management and effective use of the chip, will save you at least 1-2 shots per round. As you will be consistently getting close to the hole, the chips will start to fall in.
Now I'll move on to the pitch shot.

The pitch shot gives about 50% air travel before hitting the green. This means less time rolling, and less influence from the break.
The pitch shot works well when you're to far away to chip. This is most often on Bethpage where the rough stops the ball quickly. The use of the pitch shot is essential on Bethpage.
Here are a few rules to follow for the pitch shot:

• 1) From the fairway subtract 4 to 5 yards
  
• 2) From 30/40 rough add 0 yard
  
• 3) From 40/50 rough add 2 yards
  
• 4) from 10/20 sand subtract 1 yards
  

The same rules apply to pitching as they do on chipping when an uphill/downhill approach is encountered. Also take into account the right/left break of the green. As I said earlier, the break has less influence because the ball is not spending as much time on the green.
The pitch shot is very useful when you are short of the green on Bethpage #10.  When I am in the rough or sand 22-28 yds out, I just follow the above rules, and I am within 5ft 90% of the time. There are some greens that have a large incline between the rough/sand and the hole. #5 and #6  on Bethpage are good examples of this. This is where being 2yds off your power can mean being stuck in the rough or being 10-12ft past the hole. The best advice I can give you is to keep notes on the trouble spots. That way when you are there again, and you will be lol, you can adust your shots for a better result.

As a final note on chipping and pitching. These 2 shots are probably the most consistent parts of this game. Being able to use them properly will easily shave 2-3 strokes off your game on Bethpage.

Just a few words on the punch option. I like to call this an advanced option
This shot works well on Bethpage to get yourself out a tough situation. The rough on that course is deep in most spots, and the punch shot can really save your round. I find that when punch is used, from the rough, the distance of the club travel is closer than that of a full shot. This also works when you are facing a headwind, from the fairway. A good example of this is Bethpage #1. A 188yd punch shot into a 9 headwind will go about 185yds. A 185yd full shot will only go about 177yds.

The punch has a few more fairway uses on Kiawah though. I regularly use it on holes #13, #15, and #16 for 2 reasons.
The first is those holes usually play a short by 3-4yds, and any kind of wind, along with deviations can cause havoc.
I once hit a perfect 128yd club with a 5 tailwind only to land at 115yds on Kiawah #16. By hitting the punch shot ther I can be sure it will get there.
The punch shot does take more practice, and a gentle touch, so I will not go into  much more detail. You will have to try it out, first by getting yourself out of trouble, then by experimenting with it in different situations. There are some shots where punch will easily save you par where ANY other shots will result in a bogey or worse!
The flop shot:
This has changed the most of all 3 shots. The key as always is to know the speed and slope of the green. For example, If you're in the bunker on Bethpage # 4, you have about 18yds to the hole. My flop is 15yds, but if I hit it full power, with full backspin, I will always land within 3ft of the hole. This is because it lands on a downhill slope. Flop is hard to aim, generaly rule is about 6-8 ft left of the hole but because flop is 75% air 25% run, wind highly influences it.
On the same #4 BP if you are left of the flag with about 25 yards left from the fairway, 4 types of wind on a fast grene will result in 4 different aim options and 4 different power settings. With 10mph tail wind, hitting as 21yards of power is enough, with 10 head wind, hitting with 24 yards of power is good. With 10mph right wind, aiming 2-3ft closer to the flag will do the trick. Since winds are rarely straight tail or head, practice will be required to adjust properly aim and power of the shot accordinly
Flop will probably be the lesser of the 3 shots you will hole out, but in some situations, because of it's flying tragectory, it will be the difference between par and bogey while utilizing any other shots.
Now the clubs :
You need to practice with them to understand the carry and roll. With the basic set you could count on a certain distance in the air and on the ground. The chip was always 25% air 75% roll, and the pitch was always 50% air 50%roll. The new clubs all seem to have their own distances so trial and error is the way there. Some clubs have the 50/50 split while others have a 75/25 split. Practice, again, will be the best thing.

The thing to remember is since the green speeds have increased, your short game must become more percise. Where 3ft long before was good, now it has become 10ft. I still recommend taking notes as to how each hole plays from each distance. Your notes, in combination with these tips, will have you rattling the flagsticks !
Lastly, there are VERY FEW places, where in my opinion any of the 3 shots can be used interchangibly (excluding punch). General rule is, always use same shot from same spot (that is, if you gotten close before). By far THE MOST IMPORTANT point of this guide, is to keep notes. If you do not keep notes about what you hit from what spot, how hard, and how far it was aimed as well as the result of the shot executed, then you will simply forget the shot you executed and will be frazzled the next time you get there.
Update 1/04/10

With the introduction of new clubs, balls , and green speeds, I thought the guide needed updating to reflect the lastest changes. The basics in the guide are still the same, there are just a few adjustments that need to be made.
I'll address the new balls first.
What is important here is extra distance and extra spin. Overall I think they make little difference on the chip/pitch/flop shots, but when combined with the new clubs and green speeds there is a noticeable change. Practice is the tip here. You just need to learn the new distances while applying the basic tips in the sections above.
The biggest difference, for chipping and pitching, are the green speeds. Adding in the slope and break of the green can mean the difference of being close before, and being 10ft past now.
The chip shot:
The same principle applies here. Know the lie percentage, the elevation change, and the right/left break of the green. The key here is the greens are faster, therefore the run will be further.
Lets look at that 13yd chip shot mentioned above. In the 40/50 rough a 40% power increase is needed. With a standard green speed this means 19yds is needed to go 13yds, on a flat surface. Now with a fast green speed, a power reduction is needed. I'd say reduce the power by 1yd on a fast green, and more on a very fast green.
The pitch shot:
The same principle applies again, but there is something to be added in. You must know where you are in relation to the hole. The best example of this is Kiawah #2. If you are 20yds long it will show the hole being 1ft up, but in reality once you are on the green, the hole is downhill 1ft. This type of misread will ruin your round. With this shot being from the fairway at 20 yds, with a flat surface you would want to hit about a 16yd pitch shot. Now when you factor in the green speed with a 1ft downhill green you're looking at a 14yd shot.
Another example would be the 40/50 rough pitch shot. Before it would have been a 27yd shot, now with faster greens and a downhill slope, you have a 25yd shot or less.

Lastly, there are VERY FEW places, where in my opinion any of the 3 shots can be used interchangibly (excluding punch). General rule is, always use same shot from same spot (that is, if you gotten close before).
By far THE MOST IMPORTANT point of this guide, is to keep notes. If you do not keep notes about what you hit from what spot, how hard, and how far it was aimed as well as the result of the shot executed, then you will simply forget the shot you executed and will be frazzled the next time you get there.

SOME INTERESTING CHATS WITH A VERY COOL MEMBER "ACETATE"

email addresses

Between acetate, pdb1



[b]acetate wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 7:21 PM[/b]

Hey Paul, do we have a list of email addresses for our members?
BTW, how are you?



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:21 PM[/b]

  I am fine . Did you receive a Newsletter ?
  Emails of course everyone submits an email when they register in WGT . As they use each function it enables notifications for each function in their emails . You know this already . So as I request registration in the website . It also requires an email . So yes I have an email address for every member of the CC and then some . Of course there are many members from other CC's in the website and some members not in a CC at all .
  But of course as admin I am entrusted to not release any personal information . So of course I would not do that .
  But prior to my acquiring the website . Being a CC owner I received emails from many members and PM's from friends . I think I mentioned to you that at one point I had over 1000 friends on my list . So I tried to do group emails from my gmail . But with so many emails and so many ex CC members , and then just WGT friends that had no reason to receive my emails . The list was in the hundreds and impossible to keep up to date . So that method did not work .
  Lol at that time . WGT's " message all members " was only available to owners . It did not work then . Then earlier this year WGT enabled more functions in CC's which included a feature for members to message all members . Lol . That did not work either . As far as I know . Have you tried it ?
   As I have indicated previously you are likely to join my admin here at some point . Why do you ask about the emails ? I can help with that . How many do you want to send ? To all CC members I suppose . Let me know what you have on you mind .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:26 PM[/b]

do we have a list of email addresses for our members?
  Come on Ace . You can't play dumb with me . You know fcking well that those lists just aren't lying around somewhere . Lol . Just talk to me bro . I gotta trust you first . And then you will have access to all media functions .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:38 PM[/b]

  Real quickly here . I am sure you have all the fancy spread sheets and what not available to you for making your tournament and it's roster . 
  I use primitive methods for all mine , like Maxthon's Skynote , then copy and paste , or blank forms in photobucket . Writing , making , and editing in the website is another way . I could make a forum for your new tournament . You and , then them could just click on it and all the topics would be there as you created them . I will do that right now . Then I gotta make this weeks BLITZ scorecard .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:43 PM[/b]

ACE'S " Best of the Alternate Shot Championship "



[b]acetate wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:49 PM[/b]

You are probably going to slap me for this but here I go.
I'm trying to find a way to notify all of our members of my alternate shot tournament. Since many don't read the forum and my tournament doesn't show in the country club tournaments under the WGT game client there is roughly, what would you guess, 50+ percent of our CC that doesn't know it exists.
This is where you slap me, saying that it is too f#cking bad for them. I agree.
Still I want these tournaments to go. I know that I could PM each and every one of them individually. I was trying not to spend half my day doing so.
All that said I understand the privacy issue. I would be happy if the WGT contact members function worked or if we had a distribution list where members could email to the list without knowing the individual email address for every one.
I could setup a distribution list if you then wanted to load it with the emails, or is there already a similar feature on the VOTSCC website?



[b]acetate wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:53 PM[/b]

I was planning on using Challonge for the brackets. I like what you did with your tournaments and Challonge. I would like to build upon that.
If you haven't figured it out yet I'm learning anything and everything you care to share.



[b]acetate wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:57 PM[/b]

To answer one of your questions in this thread, yes I could develop crazy wicked pivot table spreadsheets that would let you look at our CC from any way imaginable.
My company use to do a lot of that with the solutions we delivered. Taking away the limits that client's IT departments created. Providing instant access to all data with the ability to slice and dice to your heart's content.



[b]acetate wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 8:58 PM[/b]

Thanks for setting up the thread out on VOTSCC.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 08 Nov 2015 at 11:43 PM[/b]

  Okay . I am used to people doing everything else but what I suggest . I was even going to gogle some other bracket generators for you . Who woulda thunk you were actually thinking of doing something I suggested like Challonge . Not I in a million years . Ok good deal then you are already well on your way .
  You never did answer me . Did you receive the newsletter ?
  "Thanks for setting up the thread out on VOTSCC."
  Your welcome . You aint seen nothin yet .
    Anyway I am hoping you received the newsletter . A feature in the website that allows group emailing . In specific groups . With delayed option that can be set for anytime in the future . Probably only good for New Years and birthday's . But there already is a birthday notification option that I could set to send a birthday greeting to a member . But no one enters their birthday . So that is useless .
  I have already told you that i am not at all schooled in anything forum  html , bbc , css , java script , wysiwyg , editing , etc . And what it makes worse is the forum makers are from the UK and their terminologies throw me off . Even if I knew the exact English description . That would only help me know what they were talking about . But I still wouldn't know how to utilize it . 



[b]acetate wrote
on 09 Nov 2015 at 8:20 AM[/b]

You gave me my first laugh of the day in your comment about the British terminology. I know exactly what you mean.
I did receive your newsletter. Cool deal. Have you been doing that for awhile? I would love to see just how many of our members that don't participate in the forums at least visit a specific thread after reading your newsletter.








[b]pdb1 wrote
on 09 Nov 2015 at 11:33 AM[/b]

 

pdb1	1:11 AM (10 hours ago)
to me

I just noticed that you have not answered any of my PM's . You have not confirmed the newsletter either . *** . If that's the case ? I will only send you this bottom portion by email . And you will have no idea what I have instore for you . Lol . But you probably get this .

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
acetate, pdb1 from "Valley of the Sun C C" - https://www.valleyofthesuncc.com

 Okay . I am on lunch I have 2 minutes . You established that you received the newsletter , because I have enabled it . Did you receive any PM's from the site ? If you have then you already know the news . If you have not then we have a problem . See you in about 4 hours . 



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 09 Nov 2015 at 7:49 PM[/b]

 Have you been doing that for awhile?
  Yes at least once a week . Sometimes more . For most of 2015 .
 I would love to see just how many of our members that don't participate in the forums at least visit a specific thread after reading your newsletter.
  Yes and I use the newsletter as a conduit to push the forum on the members . In fact most of them are just titled Quick links / date / little or no commentary , just links to the forum . I am consistent . I know they don't care about a newsletter update . I just have tried everything  and even this quick link I think has little results . I cannot explain how frustrating it is to know that so much of what I suggest is so easy and only takes a couple minutes . I still get not even minimal . I get that they have jobs and family . I do too . I spend way too much time here . But I don't want that from them .
  See this .I think this is his first maybe second post ever .

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  MGERAETS 3 Posts 11-09-2015 6:02 PM touching base pdb1 6,145 Posts 11-09-2015 6:18 PM   Well it's about time Mike . Good to here from you bro . Keep in touch will ya ?    Thanx    Paul   Don't hurt yourself going so far out of your way to make this once in a lifetime post Mike .

  
  
  

[b]pdb1 wrote
on 09 Nov 2015 at 7:50 PM[/b]

  The title is " here " . I should just boot him .



[b]acetate wrote
on 09 Nov 2015 at 8:43 PM[/b]

He has been here 5 weeks more than me yet has made 4% of the posts that I have.
Why do people join a country club if they don't want to participate in the country club? I'm sure that is a question you ask yourself on a daily basis.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 4:29 AM[/b]

  He was a return member . one that I had removed previously , then asked to return and led me to believe he would step up . That is common . Then I re remove them . 



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 4:35 AM[/b]

  You can see that in the website his join date was early June . Which probably means his original CC join date was late May .
  Lol . Watcha gonna do 



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 9:37 AM[/b]

Hmm... Since you gave up drinking and I can't I suppose we could practice our alternate shot game.

alternate shot tournament pairing

Between acetate, pdb1



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 9:38 AM[/b]

Any suggestions on how I should go about pairing?



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 11:47 AM[/b]

  Yes . While I have 6 more minutes of lunch . It is very easy . Depending on the range of your tiers . Basically lower with lower middle with middle , upper with upper . Here is a helpful guide for making tourneys and match ups . Remember the higher green speed per matchup trumps . So try not to make it so it increases more than 1 green speed . I think this is the fairest method .   
Hardest: Legends and TLs
 
Hard: Masters and TMs
 
Medium: Pros and TPs
 
Easy: Hacks and Amateurs.
 
The standard green speeds:
 
TLs: Championship 13 
 
Legends: Tourney 12
 
TMs: Tourney 11
 
TPs and Masters: very fast 10
 
Pros: Fast 9
 
Amateurs: Standard 8
 
Hacks: Slow 7



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 11:52 AM[/b]

 There is now a faster champion speed I think but that is not up there . Legends , Tour Legends , and champions have to grouped together . Tour master is the toughest one to figure . If there are masters to match them with then that will work . If not then more likely better to go up then to legend .



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 2:21 PM[/b]

If I'm understanding you as long as only the two players that are a pair in this tournament are playing a game, then the green speed of the higher level player will be used.
For example if we were paired, then we would be playing with a green speed ofTourney 12, as you are a Legend while I am a lowly Pro.
On the other hand if I were paired with Harry we would be playing at Very Fast 10, as Harry is a Tour Pro while I am still that lowly Pro.



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 2:21 PM[/b]

If I'm correct so far, then I would pair as follows:
Harry & Ace
Racinray76 & Jimq916
the eight Legends and Dan, the single Tour Legend would be matched via a draw
Kmamjmemedmmm & Skip380



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 2:22 PM[/b]

Or do I just shuffle everyone and play the tournament at Champion 13 green speed?



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 3:14 PM[/b]

  Picking the pairing is the way to do it . You have the right idea . Basically matching teams and opponents woek almost the same if possible . DO NOT EVER pick faster green speeds if you have a choice . Which you do not . No one even the Legends , Tour  Legends , And Champions LIKE their faster default championship green speeds . But they have no choice . And as the tournament creator unfortunately you do not either . I repeat ( It'll take you a while )( as I already wrote you all this in another thread ) in any match play or stroke play normal ranked or scored round the default green speed of the highest tier is AUTOMATICALLY chosen . 
  Unless you choose to play the tournament in practice mode where the green speeds can be chosen by the person who sets the match . This is acommon format for these types of matches that bare played through Challonge . As the scoring method is determined by you which means a practice round match that does not count in WGT . Will count in a Challonge match with the scoring determined by you . 
  I don't know if you follow all that . Read it carefully . I will help in all ways . But I would prefer not to type and type and type . 



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 3:16 PM[/b]

the highest level out of the 4 players will automatically be chosen .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 3:26 PM[/b]

  Are you filling a bracket in challonge ? If so unless you have studied some of mine and figured out what and how I made up alt shot brackets . It is very difficult to do As you have to change the username of the registered challonge members to something else because the bracket maker will not allow you to put two registered usernames on the same line . 
  Omg  Ace I can't imagine what you are feeling and thinking right now . I know what I went through . And I really would never wish that on any one else that I liked anyway . But it can be done . I will help you .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 3:38 PM[/b]

  If you are filling a bracket in challonge on the bracket generator page at the bottom in advanced settings there is an option for shared admin . You might want to put me in that It might help .








[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 3:41 PM[/b]

 Because so far you have not shared your info with me or any one . So I am only guessing . 




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[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 3:46 PM[/b]


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[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 6:20 PM[/b]

Link to tournament on Challonge.com - http://challonge.com/botasc01
You have admin rights. I setup an 8 count bracket, figuring 2 players for each slot.
We will use practice mode, per your recommendation. What do you think about:

• Very fast 10 green speed.
  
• Medium wind.
  
• Default tee and hole location.
  

[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 6:24 PM[/b]

If this sounds good to you I am going to post the settings in the thread. If you want to fill in the brackets I can post that in the thread as well.
If you don't have the time I will fill in the bracket. You can change as you see fit.



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 6:29 PM[/b]

You remember that this is my first tournament. If I should post something or do something at a given time just tell me. You are not going to take offense if you say, 'Hey stupid, get your *** together.'
I learn pretty quick, so hopefully you won't have to call me stupid too many times.



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 6:44 PM[/b]

This is how I see the seeding:

• skip380 - champion - 91 - 61.87
  

• kmamjmemedmmm - champion - 94 - 62.52
  

• flavel - tour legend - 101 - 61.54
  

• dan - tour legend - 94 - 61.86
  

• gru1971 - legend - 94 - 59.75
  

• xdout - legend - 102 - 61.56
  

• pdb1 - legend - 98 - 63.19
  

• sage013 - legend - 98 - 63.29
  

• nitamgoht - legend - 99 - 63.93
  

• bertasion - legend - 87 - 64.74
  

• bill - legend - 92 - 64.66
  

• gene - legend - 92 - 65.34
  

• racinray75 - tour master - 93 - 67.80
  

• jimq916 - tour master - 97 - 79.68
  

• harry - tour pro - 93 - 69.44
  

• ace - pro - 46 - 72.47
  

Each two will be a pair, starting from #1 & #2 down to #15 & #16.
If this looks good to you I will plug them into the brackets.



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 6:52 PM[/b]

I went ahead and plugged them into the brackets. If that looks good I will post it to the thread.



[b]acetate wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 6:53 PM[/b]

I'm closing down for the night. Thanks for your help today.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 7:37 PM[/b]

  You are doing a very good job . One very important thing to do is post in our WGT CC forum that
  MY tournament is going to played through challonge . If you are not already please register in challonge with your WGT username . I will be posting the sign in link on my next post after everyone is registered . 
  The brackets will be live on page 3 in our website . Some of you know the routine . For some of you and myself , this will be our  first attempt at this . So all of your help and cooperation will be needed and appreciated . 
  Thank God we have Paul to help us do this and have fun . And hope the next thing you hear won't be crickets . Lol . 



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 7:40 PM[/b]

   The statement below in bold is optional 
Thank God we have Paul to help us do this and have fun . And hope the next thing you hear won't be crickets . Lol . 



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 7:49 PM[/b]

  After all the teams are set, you MAY receive an e-mail stating that you have been removed from the tournament (IGNORE THIS).
  DO NOT SIGN UP AGAIN! Challonge requires combining (2) players into one slot and assigning scoring rights to the first player listed.
  YOU HAVE NOT BEEN REMOVED, BUT HAVE BEEN LISTED AS A TEAM!!!
  There are other various reasons to shuffle and move players around . Each time this happens an automated email from Challonge is generated stating that you have been removed from the tournament . Again IGNORE THIS !
  Inevitably no matter how many times I post this notice . Several players Message me and say WTF Paul FCK YOU and your tournament . Remove me you a** hole . Go fck the donkey you rode in on . 
  It happens everytime . Lol.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 10 Nov 2015 at 7:53 PM[/b]

  You might post that whole thing . I would . They will know I wrote it . I will try to get to the bracket tonight . I am very tired also . If not I will do it tomorrow . I got layed off today . And will have a little time . Lol .



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 1:55 AM[/b]

I went without having them signup for Challonge. I figured that it would be difficult enough scheduling a time for their game and dealing with the configuration of a practice alternate shot game.
If I crash and burn I just hope that this will not turn everyone off to trying formats of tournaments other than what WGT restricts us to offer.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 7:16 AM[/b]

  Inform the participants with a forum post that you are working to get it ready . you need to get the rounds set . Round 1 , semi finals , and finals click on each round from page 3 and edit .



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 8:10 AM[/b]

Thanks Paul.
Done. I made the edit from Challonge. I want to be familiar with and know how to manage tournaments from their site.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 2:16 PM[/b]

they have no idea what you are talking about . They have never heard of something like this before . I have tried every way there is to play these tournaments . You can't cut corners . All participants must literally be on the same page . there is no other way . At the very minimal the 4 in each bracket . But that won't work . What is the pre tournament check in time ? what is the tournament start time ? these have to be established this cannot work in an informal setting .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 2:18 PM[/b]

 you must write up the procedure . Step by step .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 2:21 PM[/b]

 "If I crash and burn I just hope that this will not turn everyone off to trying formats of tournaments other than what WGT restricts us to offer."
 That is exactly what will happen .
 
 



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:23 PM[/b]

If you had such reservations, why didn't you stop me? I don't want people to play one, hate it, and run away forever.



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:29 PM[/b]

As for Challonge.com nobody ever needs to register. You can use it strictly as a tournament tracking system. The person that creates the tournament can enter scores, move the tournament along and it will display results just as it would if everyone signed in and appeared at a given time.
All of what you just posted negates that option. When I commented that Paul may come through before me to show how to configure the alternate shot game for practice mode, I meant just that. How you can switch settings at the 1st tee.



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:31 PM[/b]

I have made things much, much worse for you. I'm sorry. That is the furthest from my intent.



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:35 PM[/b]

As I wrote before, if you see me doing something that you think is crazy stupid stop me. I do not know how to recover this tournament at this point.
 



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:38 PM[/b]

You need to toss me out of your club. I don't see any other way to negate this.
Right now all of them are thinking so this is what it is going to be like with Paul and Ace working together.
If you would rather I will resign. I'm sorry about this.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:42 PM[/b]

  No no no . Ace please . This is not a big deal . You made a hell of an effort . You are all good I promise you . Everyone will respect your efforts . I will see to that . nothing has changed . All good .  I promise man . Nice try though . It is them that are complacent and unwilling to put it out . =You have shown great determination . This task is almost un do able . Maybe impossible . Do not feel bad . 



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:49 PM[/b]

Whichever way you want me to go, I did enjoy being in your club and working with you.
I had no intent to give your club a black eye. I know how much you struggle to keep things running.
I learned a lot from you. Thank you for that. You have shown me more kindness in this month than everyone else together over this past year.
Just let me know how you want me to exit. I really am okay if you need to toss me. Just as I am if you would prefer I resign. Either way I would like to post a proper goodbye to the members before I am removed from its ranks.



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 3:49 PM[/b]

Thank you Paul. I am sorry that it had to end like this.



[b]acetate wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 4:00 PM[/b]

And one last point, I will still tell everyone that I believe would make a good member to give VOTSCC a try. That they will not be disappointed. It will be easy to do as that is a fact. You have a great club.



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 4:07 PM[/b]

  Yes I am so happy that you see that . It can be a biotch . And things can get sticky and rough . But I'm still standing . As you are as well . And you haven';t even got your feet wet yet . Lol .



[b]pdb1 wrote
on 11 Nov 2015 at 4:08 PM[/b]

Right now all of them are thinking so this is what it is going to be like with Paul and Ace working together.
  They better not think that . I will tell them to go jump in the lake . Lol .