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ANOTHER EXCERPT WITH MORE OF JOE'S BAD UNINFORMED ADVICE
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ANOTHER EXCERPT WITH MORE OF JOE'S BAD UNINFORMED ADVICE
pdb1 19,395 Posts | Wed, May 9 2018 12:58 PM |
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Subject: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT
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Well I don't think it would have been a problem to most .
It must have bothered some insecure few . That probably have as many issues as the rest of us . But won't ever admit it .
Much less allow someone else to find solutions .
I had found a solution .
The WGT Universe . Have proven to me . Plenty big enough to help me out .
You can't blame me if I try and try again .
But that might mean . I would suffer less . That would make some people very unhappy .
Paul
Just to be clear here . I am not talking about Icon .
No I am referring to the whiney's that complained to him .
Against the rules . Is completely arbitrary here in WGT . So a little influence goes a long way here .
Paulgonfission
1,168 PostsWed, May 9 2018 6:29 PM
I'm pretty sure Paul, it was allowed the first time as a sign of respect. I would guess that a second time would be seen as pandering.
What do I know?
Like being asked every time you go through a checkout line in the grocery store, "would you like to donate to blah, blah". It gets tiresome quickly.
Posting a message from WGT to you privately may itself be an inadvertent mistake. Many complain things happen without notice at all. To bandy about with private messages, may result in none, in the future.
Rather a broad brush there on that one. I left a retort to your plight, in hopes of helping you. To say solutions were not allowed is deceitful. I left for work, so I know nothing of anything that may, or, may not, have transpired. Now it's gone.
Now that's ^^^ just spiteful. You're not going to win over any one with kicking people in the nut sacks, because of you predicament. You've been around here long enough to know what will, and won't fly.
Don't degrade yourself any further, over your plight of personal worriment's. It's not helping your Zen.
Something you may want to look into in times like these, you're going through. You must have the best phone service in the world, to allow you through all your torrid perplexities, to continue in this venue, as in other services they offer you, without shutting you off.
Take that as a good thing in the eye of adversity, instead of lashing out at whom ever, if any one, complaining. Maybe it was Icon himself, doing his daily job.
Everyone agrees, he does it well, and even handed, equally. Well, there's Ct of course, Let a brother go Icon.)
There's an old proverb that I am failing miserably to remember. If I may paraphrase;
Something about a small bird sitting on a snowy branch complaining about how cold he was, the he fell off into the snow on the ground. Colder & complaining more, a cow comes along and craps on him, to warm him up. Bird then complains about the stink of the crap, to a coyote, who then pulls him from the crap, & eats him. Ending all his troubles.
Something to do with watch who your friends are, for all are not what they seem to be, when helping. IDK. Something like that.
Dude, if you have access to this game, & a roof over your head, you are further ahead of tens of thousands of people I have seen with my own eyes.
Focus on something like that, instead of lashing out in your time of anger. I donated heavily to your cause, in a monetary form. This time I am trying to do the same with wisdom.
Center yourself
You have much more, than many others will ever have, in their entire lives.
I believe you have the love of a woman. That's all a man needs to persevere...
You may wonder where I get the cajones to say this all to you.
Yesterday I was supposed to get my guts cut open. I decided 1 last game of golf was in order, last Wednesday, as no outcome from invasive surgery is guaranteed. I herniated a lumbar disc golfing, causing me to be unable to walk for two days.
Saturday I forced myself down the stairs, onto the treadmill, then YouTube, to find some type of relief. Wife was instrumental in adjusting me, as best as her tiny frame would allow.
Had to cancel surgery for yesterday as they wouldn't do it until my back was better. Today I called them to reschedule, they did not believe I was walking. Drove up there to prove I was in fact doing so.
Now next Tuesday barring anymore golf, they will be slicing and dicing me, to their hearts content. I will be down for 3 months.
I have made arrangements for all my servitudes to be adequately extended.
So, in a sense, we are in the same boat. I'm beginning to take on water. You are where you choose to be. I speak from experience, & never kick a person when they're down.
Keep bailing
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pdb1
19,395 PostsWed, May 9 2018 7:21 PM
I put it out there .
PM messaging would be more like pandering .And would get me nowhere fast .
I would think that would be annoying .
I didn't want to do any of this publicly from the start .
People should have a choice . If I am able to reach out to the right crowd on a given day .
it is their choice .
Have you ever run a CC ?
One can spend what amount to days PMing . And only reach a few people .
I don't agree that what i did was offensive . or crossing any lines .
Just because it is a rule here . Does not make it real .
Think about it .
For example . How would it hurt anyone if an advertisement for a CC were to show up on players walls . That were already in CC's .
It wouldn't hurt . You could just delete it if you weren't interested .
But you now were aware of another CC you had never heard of .
At some point in the future . It may be your choice to change CC's .
The key is you had the knowledge of more information . That gave you better choices .
If we are censored and forbidden . Not allowed to speak . Controlled and held back .
How much information do we lose ? How many less choices do we have ?
I have a problem with that . I always have and I always will .
I am not even disputing the decision . I am not even angry . I just don't agree with it .pdb1
19,395 PostsWed, May 9 2018 7:40 PM
This is the grapevine .
That is why I thought what I did was right .
And they I am sure were happy to help .
I also have never been more grateful . Opened my eyes to real connections I didn't know I had .
Real connections that don't even need to be on my friends list . How about that ?
Very cool . That's what .
Most of the time . I am not enjoying this period of my life .
But to learn things like that . Is encouraging .pdb1
19,395 PostsWed, May 9 2018 7:52 PM
By now I have deleted every player that was ever on it and reduced my list to 100 a couple times .
Nothing will fix it . " Player not found " is what it says . So for 4 years i have only been able to send individual PM's . That got very old after a few thousand in the first couple of years .gonfission
1,168 PostsThu, May 10 2018 4:41 AM My CC's owner is stepping down, and has asked of anyone to take over the reigns permanently. He has personal stuff he needs to put first in his life.
His priorities are not skewed. He needs to cut the grass. Per se...
The club will trod on, with new management, no biggie.
I think this is where you're missing the lesson here Paul. Wgt is a good game, however, to make it first, above all else pressing in life, is ludicrous, to me. This is a virtual world.
You have real world problems. Your virtual CC should be the LAST thing on your mind, especially if you are facing homelessness, and all that goes with it. I see far to many people in here, that make this joint their life's ambition. C’est la vie.
Those folks are in a position to do so. I think it's crazy, but that's just my opinion of the human condition, and where it leads some. People beg for balls, etc.. This gives retirees a place to relax, get to know virtual strangers. All good.
You need some real world fixes Paul. The virtual world is that last place to find your cure.
Your time for your immediate future to progress, purposefully, will not be found in here. To commit such an amount of time doing so, is akin, to putting a knife to your throat.
If I were a futurist, I would see you in a free Wi-Fi zone, with a tablet or such, in tattered clothing, running your precious CC while the world passes you by.
Now that's what you are portraying to many in here, at this point Paul. There is plenty more about the PM's I could comment on. It is futile & redundant for me to do so.
You have a sack of gold in your backpack, however, you can't scale the cliff from whence you found it, because of it's weight. Your grip is slipping. You are about to plunge to your death. You can make the climb without the gold...
What do you do?
Cut the backpack loose, or die.
Again, just trying to help the blind, feel for the light, if it can't be seen. I'll say nothing else to the horse, that was lead to the water.
We all have our crosses to bear
Rock on...
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pdb1
19,395 PostsThu, May 10 2018 10:51 AM It is a biggie here in WGT . I have shown that there have been many owners that could not find replacements . no one would step up . IRL called . The owners had to part with out replacement .
That almost happened to VOTSCC . I tried for more time than I care to share to get some one to replace me .
it wasn't until I advertised in the main forum and got some responses from players outside VOTSCC . That a couple members stepped up reluctantly to say they would step up .
So Joe . the thousands of CC's where there wasn't a replacement owner . Who's 10's of thousands of members eventually . Sadly and unnecessarily drifted out and away from WGT . Is a serious tragedy . And is a BIGGIE .i agree . I am happy to say i am not even close to doing that . I have a life . of family and events . Doctors and lawyers . Appointments and claims .Meals and tasks .
All of which are hindered by various unfortunate problems in my real life . not the least of which is my current physical disabilities . .
Which at some point . Will not be problems for me . But are a BIGGIE right now .Of course . i have said those exact words a dozen times . The last option . But an option nonetheless . Now no longer an option . No BIGGIE .
Lol That is some group of words . It doesn't seem to have any relative meaning pertaining to my situation . But it sounds good Joe . Well said . i think .
I have many burdens . This is way down on the list .
And another one . I am the one that has been leading the horses . i couldn't make them drink . But i never stop trying .
I am not sure what you think you are saying that is relative to me . or could help .
Maybe if you did know me . Maybe you could help .
Thanks though .
Paulct690911
5,840 PostsFri, May 11 2018 4:33 PM
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19,395 PostsSat, May 12 2018 2:11 PM
But that is how they know each other .
I have no shame . I have no regrets . I have no control over surprises that I don't see coming .
I know that many say that they have been there done that . And they got through it .
So will I . But there was no way to prevent the hell we are facing right now .]
Sounds like you would look down on that . I would believe that .
The only part I would say is wrong is the world isn't passing me by . I just have no resources to keep up .
This has been going on for 5 months . have tapped out every viable resource 2 and 3 times over .
I am not stupid or missing something .
I am in pain . Disabled . And still have at least 2 more surgeries . Without income . I am done .
i might not even have insurance anymore . I can't pay my $35.00 per month premium .
I might not be getting anymore surgeries .
i am not whining . I am telling you like it is . I cannot believe it is happening .
You would not believe what it is doing to my wife . if i could do anything to give her hope and some sort of relief . She will come first before anything .
So expletive all you holier than thou expletives . If you are doubters . it is because you are entitled spoiled expletives that have no clue .Have never been in this position . Therefore have no idea . 6 months ago I would have bet that i would never be in this position .
All my life I have been a motivated and resourceful provider . Until I cannot .
It's not that that I won't .
BTW . VOTSCC has nothing to do with this .It is not so precious . It is just a good CC .
Thank gawd I have it still to keep my sanity .
In 2017 I spent over $1100.00 in purchases in WGT . Mostly for CC members and other WGT players that needed help . A normal year . I would do it again .And have done it for 5 years .pdb1
19,395 PostsSat, May 12 2018 2:41 PM
In 2018 I have spent $ 0.00 on myself or anyone here .
Quite a contrast . It is very depressing . Many things are depressing . Very hard to keep my head up .gonfission
1,168 PostsSat, May 12 2018 5:18 PM That's quite factual, and funny to me, Collin. You are one for the direct approach, and I applaud that in people. No confusion arises.
People have generalized, or, have formulated very personal feelings, towards this type of subject matter. The folks who always have something to say, be it captious, or, efficacious, tend to stay away from real life disunity.
Makes people uneasy.
The wise know when to be silent, less they be ousted by ignorance, of receivership of their thoughts, towards the intended. Misinterpreted thoughts sent well mannered, however, chance, being received twisted, into perfidiousness. Perception is the devils design, in the comprehension of the writers motives.
Few claim pure objectivity.
Some are simply overwhelmed by such tragedies, and having never faced this type of adversity, know not, how to best respond. I would not go so far as to demean them by saying ;I'm not a gambling man Paul, except with my life. Perhaps that is why I have survived the atrocities perpetrated upon myself, by men & women of evil intent. We're talkin war here. That can wait.
The above statement of yours can be disputed by all who enter this realm. All have had some type of contact with adversity in life. I'd bet your life on it!
However, your statement above is invalid. As Collin, having the penchant for the obvious, has pointed out, I am the only one, responding to your cataclysmic, cacophonous chaos.
I elucidated that I was done with the horse. The horse whinnied for more.
Well, let's just call it my morbid curiosity, in the carbon based life forms, I encounter, that sucks me back into this, like a tornados' vortex. Some beings are an inescapable continuous perplexity for me.
Let me clear something up here & now, in case you may be feeling overwhelmed at this conjunction.You are so tainted by anger, and confusion, (re-read all above, for EVER) you are telling the stranger that gifted you $300.00, as a random act kindness, that I care not for the downtrodden of society.
You could not be further from the truth.
You are quickly becoming why people give little to no notice, of such poor souls. I'm not talkin money when describing them. A monkey throws it's own excrement for no reason in any direction.
Does that help you understand the metaphor of the climber with a back pack full of gold?
In case not... Because it doesn't know any better....
I will make no assumptions, and keep my personal, and professional opinions, about your boots, (and monkey ***) stepping on the face of one of your caring, benevolent benefactors. It will not get through to you, as you have become indifferent to all around you, except, your CC.
And CC!
This humble man will receive a return on his investment.
There once was a phrase penned by an ingenious person.
Silence is golden
Best of luck Paul. You received another response from me, as you wished. About the gambling? I'll bet my life, you didn't like it!
Call me the "Golden Boy"
AS always, joviality is ALWAYS IMPLIED...
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gonfission
1,168 PostsSat, May 12 2018 5:58 PM
I'm thinking of writing a book. Been waiting for the right opening presentation.pdb1:
In 2017 I spent over $1100.00 in purchases in WGT . Mostly for CC members and other WGT players that needed help . A normal year . I would do it again .And have done it for 5 years .
In 2018 I have spent $ 0.00 on myself or anyone here .
Quite a contrast . It is very depressing . Many things are depressing . Very hard to keep my head up .
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.
I think that is quite fitting, if I do say so myself....
No plagiaristic BS, from me!!!!
Now if I could just come up with the appropriate title....
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19,395 PostsSat, May 12 2018 7:39 PM
Again . I have had some serious diversities throughout my life . Homelessness , destitute . unemployed . serious fractured parts of my body . jail time , probation . dejection , rejection , loss of close family . Fear for my life .raised 4 children , etc.
But i was younger then . i survived all of it and more .
But my wife and I are 58 . We are not prepared for this hardship . i am just being honest .
This is a bytch . We are struggling .
it is too bad that the only ones that are speaking are some of the insensitive trolls .
My wife and I are good people . We are there for all kinds of people . Always have been .
We volunteer at food banks . Give to charities when we can .
I am for 10 years the head inspector election board worker and run my own precinct Apache 21 .
I don't appreciate the disrespect I have received from the likes of some of you . I didn't ask for it . I don't deserve it . And ashamed to share some of the same pages with you .
Paulpdb1
19,395 PostsSat, May 12 2018 9:29 PM
Wow .gonfission:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.
I think that is quite fitting, if I do say so myself....
No plagiaristic BS, from me!!!!
Looks like plagiarism to mepdb1
19,395 PostsSat, May 12 2018 9:47 PM
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