THE WORLD IS BEAUTIFUL

by **Paul** Wed 11 Aug 2021, 2:44 pm

Being moderated-my take.

overtheedge
5,871 Posts

Thu, Oct 4 2018 4:42 AM

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Competitors, players, golf fanatics, or people in general who just love the game of golf ALLL have suggestions, ideas, thoughts, opinions, experience in regards to improving our playing experience here on WGT and these "moderators" / kids do not understand the meaning of "agree to disagree". We - the players - are grown men, women, ADULTS that can handle a little backlash from other players,,my goodness.
I am being moderated for writing a post that was nowhere nearly as offensive as most post can be and STILL ARE. Being moderated for a post that the moderators can't even remember, it was soooo long ago, ahh okay. Being moderated for over a YEAR, WRONG.
I have been on mod for over a year. I know these mods are young kids with a lot to learn but a little advice, know who and most importantly WHY someone is being moderated and even more importantly than that, be sure the "TIME FITS THE CRIME".
Some sort of a power trip,,,truly. It is laughable. I've been here sooo long that the forums were a place to go and have little extra curricular activity. The topics were always changing. Some heated discussions, others with strong sound advice and or suggestions about the game.
NOW - Pa'leeease! You can speak your mind much more freely in a church, synagogal, temple, chabad house, etc,,etc,,.
WGTChampion
1,751 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 7:53 AM
We listen to any and all suggestions. We even relay most of them to the rest of the team here.
You seem to be really fixated by my age, and I'm honestly wondering how old you think I am.
My job is to keep the "backlash" to a minimum between players. That does not mean you can't debate things or disagree with one another. It does mean that if a player posts something that's insulting to another player they may end up in moderation. If a player does it many times, they're definitely going to be in moderation. During the course of that moderation if they continue to be insulting to others in the forums or on another player's wall, they will probably remain in moderation forever.
It's truly up to the player to be civil with others and post within our posting guidelines to avoid being in moderation.
Now I guess I should get ready for school since I'm a little kid or something.
_CHAMPION
craigswan
20,941 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 11:06 AM
Welcome to the club . Are you still being made to sit in the corner on the naughty stool. lol.
I was moderated for posting a couple of funny photo's . Well I thought they were funny .
Five days I got until they realised they were missing me .
Nobody even reads my posts on who will have the last word so basically I was moderated for talking to myself .
Can I risk a funny - might get 10 days for this . heyho .

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pjctas0822
4,451 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 12:47 PM
Overtheedge thats just plain ridiculous to be blocked out for that long . The problem with forums is that you cant really feel out a person based on words typed on a website. Vulgar language I understand or maybe even talking about ones Momma lol.

I left WGT for almost 4 years because well I wont go there again because ill get moderated I think lol.
But to be moderated for over a year you must have mooned the enitre staff on a Live youtube video and talked about their Mommas ..
But if your observant you can tell a lot about a person or even age range of people that are on here . At least I can and it sounds like you can too. Good Day .
fatdan
3,379 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 12:50 PM
That's not "even" funny craig!
You will prolly get 6 more months of solitary confinement as soon as Champion gets home from school!
claremoreblue
2,028 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 12:52 PM
Icon, please remove my brother from moderation! He's a great man and been here almost from the get go.
fatdan
3,379 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 12:55 PM
pjctas0822:
Overtheedge thats just plain ridiculous to be blocked out for that long .
LOL, there a a few who have been on "moderation" for many many years, they could do 1 year chained to a pole in a junkyard!
callaghan159
5,090 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 2:29 PM
overtheedge:
Being moderated for over a YEAR, WRONG.

I was on moderation for over 2 years. 1 day I message a moderator--- (Champ I think it was)---and asked if I could be taken off moderation. 20 minutes later, it was like magic. It pays to be nice.
callaghan159
5,090 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 2:30 PM
WGTChampion:
Now I guess I should get ready for school

Don't forget a apple for the teacher. LOL
callaghan159
5,090 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 2:32 PM
craigswan:
Nobody even reads my posts on who will have the last word so basically I was moderated for talking to myself .

I look forward to reading your post--some are just to funny. Keep them coming.

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pmm711
4,512 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 2:46 PM
callaghan159:
overtheedge:
Being moderated for over a YEAR, WRONG.

I was on moderation for over 2 years. 1 day I message a moderator--- (Champ I think it was)---and asked if I could be taken off moderation. 20 minutes later, it was like magic. It pays to be nice.
A message to Champion would have been much better than the OP...I think you'll be with CT for a while longer after that. CT needs the company anyway.
ct690911
6,352 Posts Thu, Oct 4 2018 3:00 PM
pmm711:
callaghan159:
overtheedge:
Being moderated for over a YEAR, WRONG.

I was on moderation for over 2 years. 1 day I message a moderator--- (Champ I think it was)---and asked if I could be taken off moderation. 20 minutes later, it was like magic. It pays to be nice.
A message to Champion would have been much better than the OP...I think you'll be with CT for a while longer after that. CT needs the company anyway.
CT has been fully pardoned. I again thank Secret Santa for granting that wish after 14 long months..)
craigswan
20,941 Posts Fri, Oct 5 2018 12:48 AM
I look forward to reading your post--some are just to funny. Keep them coming.
thanks for that mr Callaghan - encouragement indeed .
callaghan159
5,090 Posts Fri, Oct 5 2018 3:13 AM
craigswan:
I look forward to reading your post--some are just to funny. Keep them coming.
thanks for that mr Callaghan - encouragement indeed .

I have been called many names but never Mr.---lol
CEverett12
14,177 Posts Fri, Oct 5 2018 5:24 AM
Some people need to be on moderation ..
garyk49
1,967 Posts Fri, Oct 5 2018 1:28 PM
Out on the front page was something about scary story time. This may be scary to some, but it is staying on topic.
Won't say where, when, or by whom, but just recently I heard that someone who had been on moderation, they were taken off and that lasted one day, and then they were back on moderation. You never know who reads what.
Scary, maybe?
bubbsboy
6,876 Posts Fri, Oct 5 2018 1:46 PM
You aint missing much.
Those days are gone.......
overtheedge
5,871 Posts Sat, Oct 6 2018 8:54 AM
WGTChampion:
really fixated by my age,
First off - I have no idea WHO is sitting behind the desk moderating the post.
Second - I wasn't even referring to you, but now that you replied, nuff said.
Lastly - As I stated, be sure the TIME FITS THE CRIME. I posted NOTHING more offensive than MOST post I read.
I posted an emoji face on someone's wall. It was so long ago I can't remember who but it was an emoji. My goodness. Either way, I read more offensive, aggressive, nasty, post in some topics that absolutely call for moderation. Some do, but others IF they do get moderated it may be for a month, or even 2 or 3 months, but I am on for over a YEAR posting an emoji face on someone's wall.
This all said, I'm not saying I shouldn't have been moderated but, OVER A YEAR,,,come on.
craigswan
20,941 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 4:03 AM
Those day are gone because
of the bullies . the gang members teaming up against weaker people .
And also wgt treating adults like school kids .
But it is the way forums are run everywhere .
Political correctness gone mad .
borntobesting
9,225 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 11:24 AM
craigswan:
And also wgt treating adults like school kids .
The statement that a few of you have made about us all being adults is not correct. Children as young as 13 can join WGT. And there may be even younger children reading these with their parents.
With teens being able to access the forums we all need to be a little more thoughtful about what and how we post.
Also there are adults that act so childish that they need to be treated as children.

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craigswan
20,941 Posts

Tue, Oct 9 2018 8:19 AM

I got back after 5 days . Posted a couple of risqué pics . Apparently they had sent me an e-mail before warning me but to avoid getting 20 e-mails a day about this, that and the other I changed my e-mail to an old one I never use .
Customer services showed me the pics they didn't like and why and let me back on again .

pmm711
4,512 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 11:41 AM
I guess Craig will be assumed guilty if some kid sees that video, hits a poor shot, and jumps into a pond and drowns...even if he does so 36 years from now.
craigswan
20,941 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 1:35 PM
The statement that a few of you have made about us all being adults is not correct. Children as young as 13 can join WGT. And there may be even younger children reading these with their parents.
With teens being able to access the forums we all need to be a little more thoughtful about what and how we post.
Also there are adults that act so childish that they need to be treated as children..

Good point . Well made . I stand corrected .
alanti
10,563 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 5:05 PM
overtheedge:
I have been on mod for over a year.
LOL been there too Jeff, and at times it was frustrating if I wanted to reply to a post, but it also just pushed me away from reading the forums, and I only look occasionally now.
I agree, the time should fit the crime, and too often players are moderated without being told what the crime was. For me, this lack of transparency is poor, but pretty much the norm for WGT.
Yes, at times there are personal attacks, and clear breaking of the "posting guidelines" (guidelines are simply 50 shades thereof lol) and some sort of moderation is required....but as the site is mostly young adults or adults, where a robust conversation should and can take place: only then can people make their own choices based on those arguments and points of view.
Personally, I would be happy to talk about any subject, with anyone....and not be offended if they had opposing views, and I might even see something with a fresh set of eyes!
In terms of the OP - we have had some fizzing arguments in the past lol - even had donkeys posted on my wall lmao......but at least I respected him for his honesty, passion and expressing his view. Not once was I offended.
The world in general has become to politically correct, and this pc brigade ran into towns all across the world, to the point so many people are worried of the ramifications of speaking how they feel, as they may upset someone, somewhere. Sooner or later that just implodes and creates other problems.
Whilst there must always be boundaries in any sphere, common sense is the best solution for posters and moderators - if there is a problem, the moderator should discuss the issue with the OP, and advise steps to correct......or into/back in the naughty corner - and with defined time frames!
borntobesting:
With teens being able to access the forums we all need to be a little more thoughtful about what and how we post.
I agree, but 99% of teens have seen a lot these days at that age, than I had seen till I was 30! Some banter on here is child's play in comparison. Again, I do not like personal attacks, but being witty or sarcastic is ok in my book. Again, one of those 50 shades of grey.....
I was told in a game last night....FU.
Why would I like to follow up after they hit a bad shot? Words (even abbreviations or acronyms) on paper and on screen can be misconstrued....different takes and perspectives.....that is part and parcel of the rich fabric of life.
SlicedPepper
796 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 7:31 PM
Being located in San Fransico, WGT might think about hiring their own ' Poop Patrol ' to steam clean some of the crap I've read in the forums from time to time.
It seems that some threads are left up until someone with a different view point posts their opposing thoughts then the thread magically disappears.
They know what I mean.
Are the ones who started those insulting threads put on moderation?
Highly unlikely as I've seen those same people start other threads of the same bent.
So it begs the question. Are the posting guidelines meant for all, or just those whose posts the Moderators at WGT find personally annoying?
SP
drmoose
3,479 Posts Sun, Oct 7 2018 8:11 PM
Free reign ( within the guidelines ) nuthin' wrong with that. Flirt with 'em my brothers an' sisters. Tiptoe around, make your point, use your head.
Speak your mind, say what has to be said in a proper manner, an' it's all good. Dayum, these forums used to be so much fun. Let's try to bring some of that back. I need another drink. Go find Yancy.
Doc
overtheedge
5,871 Posts Mon, Oct 8 2018 2:20 PM
borntobesting:
Also there are adults that act so childish that they need to be treated as children.
Couldn't agree more but AGAIN, to be on a moderation list for OVER A YEAR! Come on.
I would agree to a YEAR of mod if the person writing a post is "physically threatening, actually stalking a players every post, using disgusting foul language and or remarks, etc, etc., but to post an emoji on someone's WALL does not warrant a year of moderation. It is absolutely ridiculous.
I also agree with SP. I know there are players who get away with vulgar, aggressive, offensive, etc,etc post and NEVER get moderated. Champion or WHOEVER just want to hold on to this "control thing".
This said, at the very least do your job. If you are moderating someone, then moderate the post in a reasonable time frame. Sometimes it take a FULL 24 hours before the post is posted. A working day is 8 hours.Within the 8 hours of a post the post should be moderated and posted. Again, a control issue.
ct690911
6,352 Posts Mon, Oct 8 2018 3:15 PM
"Are the ones who started those insulting threads put on moderation?"
I also found this to be unfair...I was getting attacked by a couple of trolls and defending myself was what got me placed on moderation. The people doing the attacking were left alone, or at least had a much shorter penalty than the 14 months I received.
Icon did warn me to ignore the attacks, but much easier said than done at that time.
ct
ps: I have learned from this and refuse to be flame baited in the future.
Duckster789
534 Posts Mon, Oct 8 2018 9:06 PM
ct690911:
"Are the ones who started those insulting threads put on moderation?"
I also found this to be unfair...I was getting attacked by a couple of trolls and defending myself was what got me placed on moderation. The people doing the attacking were left alone, or at least had a much shorter penalty than the 14 months I received.
Icon did warn me to ignore the attacks, but much easier said than done at that time.
ct
ps: I have learned from this and refuse to be flame baited in the future.
You are delusional ct. It's true that you rarely started the flame, but you were always adding fuel to the fire.
… and then you would blast everyones walls with irate posts until WGT had to shut you off!
SidersBest
873 Posts Tue, Oct 9 2018 6:08 AM
People
Let's not forget that there are many others who are moderated simply because they don't know to ask to have their moderation removed.
I was on moderation for 2 years because I didn't know, however I do believe that their should be a unified punishment system used by the Moderators.
1st offence - warning
2nd offence - 1 week
3rd offence - 1 month
4th offence - at the discression of the Moderator, but the individual should be informed of time lenght (and the individual must request to have moderation lifted and not cry about foul- it's been too long and it not fair)
This maybe already in place, I don't know, but I do know that when I had my privledges removed and was unable to play I asked for the reason and was given an explanation,and after affirming that I wouldn't make that mistake again, my privledges were restored.
This is a family game, it's free, let's all agree to disagree, but respest others rights to have a word friendly atmosphere
Siders Best

by **Paul** Wed 11 Aug 2021, 2:46 pm

OTE's Being moderated-my take. THE FULL THREAD pgs 1 - 3 U9437073_20200221_122807.jpg?0.143

bubbsboy
6,876 Posts

Tue, Oct 9 2018 2:55 PM

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Bet one of the was that woman with the cat Craig.
Dont even go there ;-)
Dougie4042
4,393 Posts Wed, Oct 10 2018 3:28 AM
WGTChampion:
We listen to any and all suggestions. We even relay most of them to the rest of the team here.
You seem to be really fixated by my age, and I'm honestly wondering how old you think I am.
My job is to keep the "backlash" to a minimum between players. That does not mean you can't debate things or disagree with one another. It does mean that if a player posts something that's insulting to another player they may end up in moderation. If a player does it many times, they're definitely going to be in moderation. During the course of that moderation if they continue to be insulting to others in the forums or on another player's wall, they will probably remain in moderation forever.
It's truly up to the player to be civil with others and post within our posting guidelines to avoid being in moderation.
Now I guess I should get ready for school since I'm a little kid or something.
_CHAMPION
You tell 'em, brother!
9,041 Posts Wed, Oct 10 2018 5:38 AM
I have NO comment on this thread..... )
drmoose
3,479 Posts Wed, Oct 10 2018 11:24 AM
^^^ I can neither confirm, nor, deny that, lol.
Doc
alanti
10,563 Posts Wed, Oct 10 2018 9:36 PM
alcaucin:
I have NO comment on this thread..... )
Probably just as well.....you might find yourself on moderation.....wait.......you are!
Again....
and again .......
and again........
The old saying, once bitten. twice sh............................................it hits the fan.....but oh so much fun at the time.
Not that I can speak for Andy, but non je ne regrette rien sums me up
overtheedge
5,871 Posts Thu, Oct 11 2018 5:02 AM
WGTChampion:
Now I guess I should get ready for school since I'm a little kid or something.
_CHAMPION
^^^^^^ I just wanted to clarify this champ.
I said "young kids" with a lot to learn. Little kids would reference grammar school.
Where as "young kids" are a tad bit older. Maybe just starting to shave or having their first real girlfriend or boyfriend. No more borrowing mom and dads car. They may have a car of their own. Paint their own bedroom, and so on.
As for "a lot to learn". This references, know when you are wrong and be "mature" enough to admit it and not to take things said or posted so personal. This goes for anybody, not just you chemp. To be moderated as long as I have is WRONG. There are people on here that have written and posted FAAAAR worse things then I have and are yet to be moderated and if they were or are moderated it is a h*ll of a less time than a year.
Either way, these forums are nothing like they use to be, but even more nothing like they should or could be. My goodness. When you have to be soooo careful not to be moderated for what you say or "how" you say it is time to hire moderators with a a lot thicker skin then whoever they have now.
pjctas0822
4,451 Posts Thu, Oct 11 2018 8:50 AM
overtheedge:
As for "a lot to learn". This references, know when you are wrong and be "mature" enough to admit it and not to take things said or posted so personal. This goes for anybody, not just you chemp. To be moderated as long as I have is WRONG. There are people on here that have written and posted FAAAAR worse things then I have and are yet to be moderated and if they were or are moderated it is a h*ll of a less time than a year.
Forrrrrrrrrrrrrrr RRRRRRRRRRRReeeeeeeeeeeeeallllllllllll
+1
overtheedge
5,871 Posts Fri, Oct 12 2018 7:24 AM
Dougie4042:
You tell 'em, brother!
You tell em brother!!!
LOL! Okay. Too funny.
sdorr
650 Posts Fri, Oct 12 2018 10:57 AM
Having a nice day? Hi, SDORR here and this thread made me laugh. "Moderated". There will only be a few members here that can relate to this, old timers like Strange Magic, Renniw52, PaulTon, CanineSupervisor (dog breath) drmoose and who can not be forgotten, Lizzie (she is hot) lol. There is and only one that can be called "moderated", and that my friend was MioKontic. He spoke his mind, told it directly as it was and did not care that he may have and did very well and preciously offended ALL of the powers that be in charge of this WGT game. Often. They "moderated" him to the point of a life long suspension from the forum. However, after about a year of unrelenting campaigning from the family and friends he has on this site, on his behalf, he was reinstated, for a month. LMAO, that was Mio. He is missed by all of us. My point is if your going to get moderated, make it good and worthwhile. Sorry to the OP of this post, I get it and it sucks, just saying. Have a nice day!
bubbsboy
6,876 Posts Fri, Oct 12 2018 3:12 PM
Never thought i would say this but.......
I miss Henry...
He was fun........and we were uptight.
Or was he just mental
ahhhhh shucks.......i dunno anymore.

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opyeuclid
6,485 Posts Fri, Oct 12 2018 3:49 PM
bubbsboy:
Never thought i would say this but.......
I miss Henry...
SSSssssHHHHhhhhhhh. He be working under cover . traviling da country counting trucker bombs tossed at him .
Free esssy .
OPY
craigswan
20,941 Posts Sat, Oct 13 2018 7:18 AM
I have it on good authority he is coming back after his travels .
He has a new plan to wind up the forums .
Maybe this time some of the grumps can be a dam bit nicer to him .
He is trying to encourage forum participation after all .
Wouldn't hurt the grumps to go along with it and have some fun .
Be aware henry is coming back .
newcastleb
1,813 Posts Sat, Oct 13 2018 7:35 AM
craigswan:
Be aware henry is coming back .
Oh Lordy I sure hope not!
craigswan:
Maybe this time some of the grumps can be a dam bit nicer to him .
Why? He is a proven habitual pathological liar who, IMHO, should never be allowed to post in the forums ever again.
pmm711
4,512 Posts Sat, Oct 13 2018 10:40 PM
Henry’s return is as much anticipated as the reoccurrence of another bout of genital herpes. It’s best he lays idle somewhere within the bodily system and never resurfaces. ;-/
Duckster789
534 Posts Sat, Oct 13 2018 10:56 PM
pmm711:
Henry’s return is as much anticipated as the reoccurrence of another bout of genital herpes. It’s best he lays idle somewhere within the bodily system and never resurfaces. ;-/
That was nasty and mean spirited, but I'm sure some of the forum trolls will cheer you on.
sdorr
650 Posts Sun, Oct 14 2018 1:18 AM
LMAO, HI MIO (oh, undercover,shhhhyt,sorry). HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN! Love that oittle diddy.
pmm711
4,512 Posts Sun, Oct 14 2018 3:59 AM
Duckster789:
That was nasty and mean spirited
I'm happy you understood. I'm also happy your reality with Henry is different than my reality with Henry.
Duckster's Reality w/Henry: +1
My Reality with Henry: Complete One D Ten T
craigswan
20,941 Posts Sun, Oct 14 2018 4:01 AM
but I'm sure some of the forum trolls will cheer you .
well duckster - you and me agree .
must be a full moon .
craigswan
20,941 Posts Wed, Oct 31 2018 12:16 AM
To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.

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pdb1
22,369 Posts Tue, Aug 10 2021 8:26 PM
overtheedge:
Competitors, players, golf fanatics, or people in general who just love the game of golf ALLL have suggestions, ideas, thoughts, opinions, experience in regards to improving our playing experience here on WGT and these "moderators" / kids do not understand the meaning of "agree to disagree". We - the players - are grown men, women, ADULTS that can handle a little backlash from other players,,my goodness.
I am being moderated for writing a post that was nowhere nearly as offensive as most post can be and STILL ARE. Being moderated for a post that the moderators can't even remember, it was soooo long ago, ahh okay. Being moderated for over a YEAR, WRONG.
I have been on mod for over a year. I know these mods are young kids with a lot to learn but a little advice, know who and most importantly WHY someone is being moderated and even more importantly than that, be sure the "TIME FITS THE CRIME".
Some sort of a power trip,,,truly. It is laughable. I've been here sooo long that the forums were a place to go and have little extra curricular activity. The topics were always changing. Some heated discussions, others with strong sound advice and or suggestions about the game.
NOW - Pa'leeease! You can speak your mind much more freely in a church, synagogal, temple, chabad house, etc,,etc,,.
Wow . Another post I haven't seen before . Awesome thread OTE . I have a lot to say . But I doubt they will post it . We will know if it shows up after this one .
pdb1
22,369 Posts Tue, Aug 10 2021 9:52 PM
This will be the 2nd time of late . That I ran across a post I am most interested in , in some way .

And as has happened before . Someone will call " BS " . " There is no way you haven't seen this thread before . You are so full of it ."
Lol never fails .
Well I found this one just now . When I typed " being moderated into the SEARCH .
Besides , do you actually think if I had seen it or any of the others , with this good of a topic . That I could resist posting in it ? Uh No .

Being moderated-my take.

overtheedge:
Competitors, players, golf fanatics, or people in general who just love the game of golf ALLL have suggestions, ideas, thoughts, opinions, experience in regards to improving our playing experience here on WGT and these "moderators" / kids do not understand the meaning of "agree to disagree". We - the players - are grown men, women, ADULTS that can handle a little backlash from other players,,my goodness.
I am being moderated for writing a post that was nowhere nearly as offensive as most post can be and STILL ARE. Being moderated for a post that the moderators can't even remember, it was soooo long ago, ahh okay. Being moderated for over a YEAR, WRONG.
I have been on mod for over a year. I know these mods are young kids with a lot to learn but a little advice, know who and most importantly WHY someone is being moderated and even more importantly than that, be sure the "TIME FITS THE CRIME".
Some sort of a power trip,,,truly. It is laughable. I've been here sooo long that the forums were a place to go and have little extra curricular activity. The topics were always changing. Some heated discussions, others with strong sound advice and or suggestions about the game.
NOW - Pa'leeease! You can speak your mind much more freely in a church, synagogal, temple, chabad house, etc,,etc,,.
WGTChampion:
We listen to any and all suggestions. We even relay most of them to the rest of the team here.
You seem to be really fixated by my age, and I'm honestly wondering how old you think I am.
My job is to keep the "backlash" to a minimum between players. That does not mean you can't debate things or disagree with one another. It does mean that if a player posts something that's insulting to another player they may end up in moderation. If a player does it many times, they're definitely going to be in moderation. During the course of that moderation if they continue to be insulting to others in the forums or on another player's wall, they will probably remain in moderation forever.
It's truly up to the player to be civil with others and post within our posting guidelines to avoid being in moderation.
Now I guess I should get ready for school since I'm a little kid or something.
_CHAMPION
pjctas0822:
But to be moderated for over a year you must have mooned the enitre staff on a Live youtube video and talked about their Mommas

fatdan:
LOL, there a a few who have been on "moderation" for many many years, they could do 1 year chained to a pole in a junkyard!
craigswaNobody even reads my posts on who will have the last word so basically I was moderated for talking to myself.
pmm711:
A message to Champion would have been much better than the OP...I think you'll be with CT for a while longer after that. CT needs the company anyway.
CEverett12:
Some people need to be on moderation ..

garyk49:
Won't say where, when, or by whom, but just recently I heard that someone who had been on moderation, they were taken off and that lasted one day, and then they were back on moderation. You never know who reads what.

Hmmm I wonder who that might have been ? Yes , it was me .

SlicedPepper:
So it begs the question. Are the posting guidelines meant for all, or just those whose posts the Moderators at WGT find personally annoying?

overtheedge:
I would agree to a YEAR of mod if the person writing a post is "physically threatening, actually stalking a players every post, using disgusting foul language and or remarks, etc, etc., but to post an emoji on someone's WALL does not warrant a year of moderation. It is absolutely ridiculous.
I also agree with SP. I know there are players who get away with vulgar, aggressive, offensive, etc,etc post and NEVER get moderated. Champion or WHOEVER just want to hold on to this "control thing".

ct690911:
"Are the ones who started those insulting threads put on moderation?"
I also found this to be unfair...I was getting attacked by a couple of trolls and defending myself was what got me placed on moderation. The people doing the attacking were left alone, or at least had a much shorter penalty than the 14 months I received.
Icon did warn me to ignore the attacks, but much easier said than done at that time.
ct
ps: I have learned from this and refuse to be flame baited in the future.

craigswan:
Customer services showed me the pics they didn't like and why and let me back on again .

This one is shocking . I haven't had any of that same courtesy . And I have asked for it .

alcaucin:
I have NO comment on this thread..... )

craigswan:
To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker.

WGTChampion:
You seem to be really fixated by my age, and I'm honestly wondering how old you think I am.
I never thought that myself . I would say that many of you are 30 to 40 young professionals . That if you have 6 to 14 years in here . Several of which we know , might be in a very high position of seniority and authority . Probably the full extent of the law .
Knowing that . I have not crossed any forum related guidelines for years .No T & C violations . No breaking forum etiquette . Nothing .
The posts that do not see the light of day these days . Are either too truthful about WGT Admin practices .( specifically back during the transition ) .
Or
Some truthful comments regarding moderation , similar to many of the posts in this thread .
Or
As has happened twice in the last 2 weeks . I get accused of something maliciously scandalous . Or providing false information .
The accusations are thrown . I try to post a response that was calm and mature . But of course that would be when I get blocked from that thread . And the last posts are of the rat degrading , insulting , and discrediting me . Seems to be the common pattern .
Because I was never afforded the courtesy of a specific explanation of the violations I committed . In the last couple moderations . Going on 4 years now . Straight . With 1 day off once in the middle somewhere .
Me , being one that saves practically everything . Didn't even think to save the incidents in the insignificant thread that had me thoroughly destroyed again by a couple few of the gang .
I remember barely getting off a few words in defense of myself . When I was suddenly MODERATED . And guess what ? The perpetrators just continued .
Just like Colin mentioned . And others .
Everyone knows this .
But I guess my offense is a real bad one . Being " Freakin Annoying ". Well I don't apologize . And of course I don't agree . Completely . I mean even people that like me . Have to think I'm " Freakin Annoying " sometimes . I get that .
But it carrying such a heavy penalty reeks of some sort of disparity somewhere .
It is " Freakin Ridiculous " . To be a non risk , a non threat , positive , good intentioned sometimes helpful poster . Not guilty of anything . It is not right to have that much control over someone .
You guys have no idea . I have not taken this easy . What with every week being sure and not posting at least several of my posts . For no reason at all . With no obligation to inform me or justify anything .
Let's say at 1 post per week x 200 weeks = 200 deleted posts . But there has been more than that .
I can barely handle that they censor that much . And none of it is censorable .
I'm not going to go into details . But I could . But it is all BS . Believe me .
Again , there is no chance this post will see the light of day. I will just copy it to the rest of the 6 pages of ....

If it doesn't get posted . I never see it again . But know I already responded to it . Or a thread like it . I'm sure not going to remember it or much of it . So I copy them first . Saves anxiety . When stuff disappears so often . To keep me from losing it . I still have the original to verify that i tried .
But this is a GR8 thread . It really hits home . Lol . You know I'm probably more surprised than you all are when I run across a thread like this that I have never seen .
But I had to look for this . I rarely use the SEARCH these days . But moderation has been killing me lately .
craigswan
20,941 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 5:38 AM
It is the way of the world now . People cannot wait to be offended by any little thing . 75,000 people can shout at a sportsman about his wife , family or anything else but when the sportsman responds they cannot wait to say they have been offended . That is why race , religion etc are now banned from even your local pub conversation . Got to say the americans started this with their i will sue you for anything criteria . Easy money .
gonfission
1,755 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 5:50 AM
pdb1:
It is " Freakin Ridiculous " . To be a non risk , a non threat , positive , good intentioned sometimes helpful poster . Not guilty of anything . It is not right to have that much control over someone
Perhaps some of the moderators memories go back to where someone had a fraudulent *Go Fund Me* page, & decided to sweep up in this house as well.
A *kerfuffle* like that never leaves the grounds of inequity
Some times people wipe their own minds clean of any indiscretion, so, they never have to be accountable for their actions......

IDK, just thought I would chime in about moderation. I have been on it for years.
Makes no difference to me. I need not the avarice of seeing self serving propaganda.
But wait, maybe this will be the one that makes it.............
pdb1
22,369 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 6:39 AM
craigswan:
It is the way of the world now . People cannot wait to be offended by any little thing . 75,000 people can shout at a sportsman about his wife , family or anything else but when the sportsman responds they cannot wait to say they have been offended . That is why race , religion etc are now banned from even your local pub conversation . Got to say the americans started this with their i will sue you for anything criteria . Easy money .
Good comment craig . And there is some truth to it . It goes much deeper though and is not completely the fault of the US .
Although political unrest abounds here . It is prevalent everywhere with the hacking and ransoms .
Extremes are to be expected . It is out of control . Lawsuits are minimal compared to the vast infringements that are so common now .
Basically there isn't crap we can do about it .

Paul

home of

valleyofthesuncc.com an information and entertainment only website .

EDIT : 8/11/21 1:20 PM .
I have posted a response to Joe's post . Asking him to stop these lies and defamation . IDK what his problem is . He is obsessed with trying to make me out as fraudulent , dishonest and a scammer . I have never been any of those things for even 1 minute in my life .
He has convinced himself . And it looks like he was responsible for Moderations sudden coldness towards me back then . Essentially ruining my WGT experience for the last 4 years . Literally being treated as if I didn't exist . Now I guess I know why .
I hope the post goes through . If not I will make it available to be viewed .
Cel7
14 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 7:41 AM
so here are two questions.......

I am still being moderated and have been my entire time here, since 2014. I post stuff very rarely, and i figured that the number of posts that i have posted are the reason i am being moderated...I dont know that for sure....maybe they have a "moron" filter and thats why i am moderated.

But.....more importantly......this game means a lot to some of you for sure......thinking just purely theoretically, if you were to start a game from scratch, and you were to put too hard a clamp down on a forum for the players to discuss, you would be stifling a very real need....the need for a place that people can have a frank discussion with great candor about the game that they love. In theory, if you were too heavy handed and made it impossible to fulfill that need, somebody clever, would jump forward with an alternative to say "Hey.....they wont let us do what we want and need....we dont need them to do it....we can do it ourselves.". Just a thought....which maybe you guys will never see because....well.......Im still on my 7 year probation
craigswan
20,941 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 11:51 AM
I have moderated myself from my country club forum for 4 weeks now .
Trying too hard i posted comments that offended a country club member and she felt obliged to leave .
I got it in the neck for that so i removed myself from the conflict .
Forum was crap anyway and she was a prima donna who i am not missing one little bit .
Exactly the type i was talking about . She couldn't wait to be offended .
craigswan
20,941 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 12:28 PM

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OTE's Being moderated-my take. THE FULL THREAD pgs 1 - 3 U5453491_20210820_113418.jpg?0.143

pdb1
22,473 Posts

Wed, Aug 11 2021 1:22 PM

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gonfission:
pdb1:
It is " Freakin Ridiculous " . To be a non risk , a non threat , positive , good intentioned sometimes helpful poster . Not guilty of anything . It is not right to have that much control over someone
Perhaps some of the moderators memories go back to where someone had a fraudulent *Go Fund Me* page, & decided to sweep up in this house as well.
A *kerfuffle* like that never leaves the grounds of inequity
Some times people wipe their own minds clean of any indiscretion, so, they never have to be accountable for their actions.....

IDK, just thought I would chime in about moderation. I have been on it for years.
Makes no difference to me. I need not the avarice of seeing self serving propaganda.
But wait, maybe this will be the one that makes it.............

OTE's Being moderated-my take. THE FULL THREAD pgs 1 - 3 Gonfis10

Joe what would posses you to to post that completely false accusation of me ?

gonfission:
Perhaps some of the moderators memories go back to where someone had a fraudulent *Go Fund Me* page, & decided to sweep up in this house as well.

You have to be not only wanting to spoil OTE's wonderful thread by making those statements .
But to after this long . You must have some sort of brain damage . Especially if you believe it to be true .
There isn't any scenario in my life that would place me in a fraudulent scheme .
That " Go Fund Me " was as real as real can be . That is an indisputable fact .
That period was one of the worse nightmares my wife and I have ever experienced . For the rest of my life I will never be able to make it up to her .
But I do have quite a number of WGTers to be thankful for the contributions they generously made . That helped significantly in a small portion of the months of hell that we endured .
I thanked them all then . I thanked you .
I guess you were not genuine in burying the hatchet .
Please refrain yourself from anymore of this berating , insulting , discrediting . It is all false .
You make yourself look like some deranged old man with hallucinations . Everyone can see this .
Please stop Joe .
I swear if I thought you were joking . I wouldn't be on the verge of tears . Enough is enough .
.

gonfission:
A *kerfuffle* like that never leaves the grounds of inequity
Some times people wipe their own minds clean of any indiscretion, so, they never have to be accountable for their actions......

The only kerfuffle were ones generated falsely by yourself .
No indiscretions on my part to be accountable for .
You have no right to continue to paint this picture of me as some type of scammer with dishonest intentions . Never in my life has that ever happened ever .
If you have convinced Moderation of this . Then it was solely you who has ruined what was an unimaginably wonderful experience here in WGT . With having to endure 4 years straight of Moderation . For absolutely no reason at all .
I hope to hell they post this .

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Wed, Aug 11 2021 6:58 PM

In 2018 . My wife and I experienced some very hard times .

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Here is a previously written brief synopsis of that time .

From mid 2017 on and for the next 2 years I suffered from both right and left torn rotator cuffs .With other accumulative damage to both shoulders . Stemming from a couple of severe incidents working . And many years of constant aggravation .

By the beginning of 2018 I could not move either arm .
I could not work .
I could not get any compensation or income .
I could not pay rent .
I had surgeries .
I started a GoFundMe .
I received several thousand dollars . Most of which from WGT friends . Not all .
I was very appreciative , Thanked each individual earnestly .
I used the money as wisely as I could .
I had left arm reverse full shoulder replacement .

The day of my surgery . My wife and I and our cat . A 13 yr old cat with diabetes for 5 yrs. We were evicted from our 13 yr home .

A WGTer from California paid for a motel for a week .

Another WGTer paid for a POD for 1 month . Which we were able to save not even 10% of our belongings .

After that we lived in our car in 118 * weather . For almost 2 weeks . During that time our cat got lost and no doubt died of exposure or lack of insulin .

We heard about a trailer park that we may be able to afford . Had never lived in a trailer before .

Fresh off my surgery . I had little to offer . But they could see we were good people . Provided us with a trailer .

3 months later I got medically released . Went to work for the Trailer Park . Paid them back .

Continued therapy .

Eventually got hired by RWK Electric Co Inc . Where I have my own truck . Run my own jobs . Celebrate 2 years coming up in August 2021 .

This is Arizona . So it came as only a little surprise and disappointment . When I lost my unlosable ( according to my lawyer ) compensation claim .

We now live in a much better trailer in the same park . We stay to ourselves .

My wife Karen has HIV . And has self quarantined ( not left the house ) since March 15th . The minute we realized COVID 19 was serious .

And there you have it . That brings us to the present . We are doing well .

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I was off work on medical . Related to both rotator cuffs having extreme tears at the same time .

With no compensation . No income . And no hope .

Being evicted from the home we had just spent the last 13 years .

My daughter suggested that I create a Go Fund Me page .

I didn't think I could . I had to think about it .

But I overcame my insecurities and started a Go Fund Me .

In a few weeks time . It grew to $3,000.00 . Mostly from some very cool and nice WGTers . But also from friends and relatives around the country .

I had a thread that I kept current in the WGT forums . GR8fully thanking any that didn't want to remain anonymous .

Also thanking the other contributors throughout the country .

My wife and I were so GR8ful . It made us cry .

Then one day I went to the thread in the WGT forums . There were all kinds of posts from Joe . Who prior to that had considered a very good friend .

These posts were devastating . Calling me out on everything and stating how fraudukent I was . And how I had scammed all of these good people .

I tried to defend myself . But as usual . I was cut off . Moderated . And placed back on Moderation . Where I remain today .And to no ones surprise . The thread was deleted . Another victory for the rats .

I immediately took down the Go Fund Me . The thought that anyone could think those things was unbearable .

Joe and ct and a couple others made sure to spew their BS about me in every thread I tried to post in.

BTW . To anyone that knows me . Already knows I couldn't ever do a dishonest act . Of course none of what they were saying had any basis . And couldn't be further from the truth .

A few years later I got an apology from ct :

A LONG TIME COMING

Sept, 2020
Colin has maturely and thankfully suggested that we get over this . And get past this .

@"standing down"
Paul;
I apologize for all the BS I have thrown your way. I am willing to bury the hatchet, Life is too short so let's move on.
ct

As I would like nothing better . I accept . And will absolutely proceed with no chip on my shoulder .
Thank you for stepping up Colin . That's a big thing to do .

And a few months after that . I ended up inviting Joe to be my partner in an Alt Shot match . That went very well .

He then posted this :

I assumed he meant it and all was good .

Until I happened across OTE's very cool thread . I took that opportunity to post some of how I felt about moderation . Not much . Just a few good quotes from others and a little statement .

That is when Joe posted this :

gonfission:
Perhaps some of the moderators memories go back to where someone had a fraudulent *Go Fund Me* page, & decided to sweep up in this house as well.
A *kerfuffle* like that never leaves the grounds of inequity
Some times people wipe their own minds clean of any indiscretion, so, they never have to be accountable for their actions......

IDK, just thought I would chime in about moderation. I have been on it for years.
Makes no difference to me. I need not the avarice of seeing self serving propaganda.
But wait, maybe this will be the one that makes it.............

Which if past history plays out . The response I made to him will not be posted .
( it surprisingly was posted above ) .
Although it is harmless . It is common practice to let them insult me . Then cut me off from that post before I get a chance to defend myself .

Seriously . It happens all the time . Twice last week . So in those threads . All one sees is their insults to me , their false accusations , their discrediting me for anything I post .
But will not post my harmless replies .

From this though I have now been enlightened as to the change in my relationship with Moderation .And now proven that Joe has made sure they believed all of his lies about me . He said that they do .

It is one thing to be Moderated . And have a rapport with Moderation . Which I always had .

But to change from that to having 30 % of my posts not posted . To not responding to requests to discuss this issue . To more than obvious favoritism . Allowing a certain group of individuals to run rampant with no consequences .

But not even allow me to post . For the last 4 years .

Is more than depressing .

But now I really know why .

If I were here to post self serving propaganda . I would be able to fill several pages to prove my case .

No , my intention is for Moderation to see this particular scenario . And think about what has really occurred .

Reconsider their hard nose stand . Realize that I have been telling the truth . Ultimately lifting my moderation .

That is my only intent . PERIOD .

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gonfission
1,761 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 8:16 PM
The *loquacious one*
To be fair, The pot & kettle thing......

Transference

Look it up, your picture will be in the header, on the page....
I've noticed in 5 + decades on this planet, the way people blame EVERYTHING bad that happens to them, on others.
I'm not going to answer to the inane diatribe above. The mods would never allow it.
Well, maybe a smidge.....

To infer, (look it up) that I am in some way *in* with the mods, is probably the most outlandishly, truly idiotic things, that could ever be spat out of a pie hole.
The only reason both these posts were put through, IMO, is the senior moderator is bored out of his, her mind, and decided it may be time for a derailment.....LOL
Hi ICON. Been a while. WGTdude, don't know you, however proper salutations to you as well.... Now, with the formalities exhausted...
Perhaps they want to spice up the forums again.... IDK
I need not defend myself against it either, it is known by all who witnessed it.
I don't need to quote you, to find out how much of the HELPFUL monies you received, was returned to the very HELPERS, that took valuable time, then MONEY, to help you.
Go Fund Me is reciprocal. (L I U) Look it up, for the addlebrained
An average nine year old, has the capacity to perceive the truth in words. Others don't, and never will...
Another old idiom comes to mind... *Me thinks you protest to much*
Paul, I learned a long time ago, that I do not have to beat people up.
They do a monumentally better job of it, upon themselves, than I ever could with my fists, or words.
pdb1:
You make yourself look like some deranged old man with hallucinations . Everyone can see this
Yes Paul.... You found me out. After all this time...... Darn.........

And it only took 5 years (perhaps more) of collating every written letter in here into graphs, worksheets, etc.
Thank the deities you don't do power point. Although, with the inordinate amount of time you are spending in the annals of WGT, one would think it a marketable skill, in the depleted, real workforce today.
Oh dearie me. I do hope I did not offend anyone not working, sitting at home collecting free money.........
Paul, if it didn't happen, then why are you so upset about it?
This may be difficult for you to read......
There are people out there that can think for themselves....
OH PISHAW, I said it! Matter of fact, met a real genius a couple days ago. Conversation was elevated.
No buttons, you need a key to get to that floor....... Oh NO, I did it again......
All in fun Paul, get a grip on something else. You'll go blind on your current coarse
Cheers
Well, that should be good for a continuance of my meteoric moderation ride>>>>>
Also as a PS.
My best buds the *MODS* are on the edge of their chairs, waiting for this response...
With popcorn, and nachos
NO one, is waiting Paul, accept you of course..... *The Garrulous One*
Call me out anytime you like. I will do my best to help you remember...........
One would think you would thank me, for having one of your posts put up on time. That's the best I can do with me buddies.......................
gonfission
1,761 Posts Wed, Aug 11 2021 8:29 PM
pdb1:
From this though I have now been enlightened as to the change in my relationship with Moderation .And now proven that Joe has made sure they believed all of his lies about me . He said that they do .
Are you effin kidding me right now??
Please send proof that I am *on the in* with the mods please.
I would like to use my new super power to remove myself from moderation
Wha..... what was tha....... You talkin to me?
All pro shop stuff will now be available on the WGT *Black Market*
Apparently, I can now do this
Must have dark web experience.............
ct690911
6,356 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 1:48 AM
Paul is correct in his assertions. I considered Joe a good friend and was siding with him as he felt he was done wrong. After a few posts from Joe, Luckyskreet (always game to play the bully) and myself, I felt enough was enough and buried the hatchet with Paul. We played a couple of alt shot games and they went extremely well. I was surprised at how well he played actually.
I also agree that moderating him for this length of time is ridiculous. I was moderated for a year for crossing Danny (good friends with Icon), so I know the politics behind much of it. In Paul's case, I cannot fathom why he has been in the wgt dog house for so long.
ct
tramilleo
1,629 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 5:36 AM
ive been moderated for over 5 years now and dont give 2 F**KS , F**K you wgt and your S**t SHOW game
pase4win
197 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 5:37 AM
ct690911:
I also agree that moderating him for this length of time is ridiculous. I was moderated for a year for crossing Danny (good friends with Icon), so I know the politics behind much of it
I had had a disagreement with Icon's girlfriend on Wgt and that was years ago and I'm still censored, Maybe Icon is this issue??
Pase
pdb1
22,473 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 5:51 AM
Thank you Colin . That means a lot .
craigswan
21,079 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 6:47 AM
I did follow your problems at the time with great interest paul . Glad to hear some friends and wgt mates chipped in .
I believed you and wished you all the best at the time .
I actually was astonished at the american system being so harsh as to leave you in that state .
In uk you would have got a house with no rent to pay , free operation and health care plus enough money to live on .
That is why all the refugees want to come here as we are a soft touch .
Great to see you are back on your feet again to an extent .
Come on moderators give the guy a break .
It was a one off .
craigswan
21,079 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 8:00 AM
Mythanatos
1,925 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 9:08 AM
pdb1
22,473 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 11:15 AM

gonfission:
I don't need to quote you, to find out how much of the HELPFUL monies you received, was returned to the very HELPERS, that took valuable time, then MONEY, to help you.

I don't remember there being any promises to pay anything back I was in no position to make that kind of promise.
gonfission:
Paul, if it didn't happen, then why are you so upset about it?
If what didn't happen?
The GoFundMe certainly happened. There weren't any fraudulent schemes. No misinterpretations no misdirected promises.
And I don't think I'm upset. Do I sound upset? A couple of realizations have come to mind which were a little surprising. And I wish my only issues were with moderation. But as you mentioned maybe the problem is Icon. And there's no maybe about it. He has always been my problem. He wouldn't even give me the courtesy of a discussion. He diverted my case out of moderation so that he didn't have to face it. All I want to do is get the facts straight understand why I'm being moderated and try to clear it up and do whatever it takes to lift my moderation. I've never been afforded that opportunity.

gonfission:
My best buds the *MODS* are on the edge of their chairs, waiting for this response...
I didn't call them that. You did. But as you mentioned above correctly. That I should thank you for at least having a day or so of prompt posting. Because as you say they are waiting on the edge of their seats for your responses.

Which is a better relationship than I have with them.
And that brings up a very good point. That they really probably are not even concerned about the content of my posts. And they never really have had to be. And is not the basis for not posting about 30% of my posts. Which are just random.
But the whole world stops to look and see what old Joe's going to say.
You still have yet to specifically tell me how you came to the conclusion of any fraudulents or scamming going on. Not that I really care to hear anymore of it. The presumption is ludicrous.
I'm responding on my phone and it's a pain in the ass. So that's it and I'll wait till I get home to see what all has been posted since

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pdb1
22,473 Posts Thu, Aug 12 2021 1:28 PM
pdb1:
From this though I have now been enlightened as to the change in my relationship with Moderation .And now proven that Joe has made sure they believed all of his lies about me . He said that they do .

gonfission:
Are you effin kidding me right now??
Please send proof that I am *on the in* with the mods please.

gonfission:
Perhaps some of the moderators memories go back to where someone had a fraudulent *Go Fund Me* page, & decided to sweep up in this house as well.

- And who or what could have given them the idea ? And how would you know they had that fabricated knowledge ? You having been the one that fabricated the whole smear .
It doesn't take trigonometry to add this one up .
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1,761 Posts Fri, Aug 13 2021 3:23 AM
pdb1:
It doesn't take trigonometry to add this one up .
Correct. It takes the ability to perceive the written word for just that, and nothing else
Math has nothing to do with the fact that the *Mods* & I are having a soiree' next Friday at Beth
Come on down for the festivities.....
In fact, math has nothing to do with any of the narrative.
Perhaps this is why you're perturbed, befuddled, confused.................
pdb1:
- And who or what could have given them the idea ?
Your own actions??
Let me tell y'all a story ................. There once was a man named *Jed*. Who was a poor mountaineer who barely kept his family fed, shooting for some food, and, up through the ground came a bubbling crude.
Oil that is, Texas tea............... You know the rest
That was as on topic, as your entire blame fest is on topic.... Still confused? Read a book
I never alluded, to friendships with any WGT employee, past or present....
You are aligned with the *VEM* crowd. Crazy would be a good fit
pdb1:
And how would you know they had that fabricated knowledge ?
Uh, IDK..... Perhaps I am clairvoyant? No, it really is the fact that the mods have asked me to come on board, specifically when you post, just to check for malicious behavior...
I am trying to score free big balls for compensation. That would mean the *high priced* balls, for the bellyachers
Your delusions are self induced.
By the way. Remember when I said you would beat yourself up better than I ever could? Member that?
Well, you're doing a bang-up job of it... Thank you
As other notable writers have signed off, with the innocuous>>>>>>
*Carry on*
Well. My guess of the morbid curiosity of the *Mods* getting a hold of them, when it comes to this post, was perhaps spot-on. LMAO
*Good show* Pip pip, cheerio
Hesus Paul, You really think they have a personal Hard-spot for you?
One more thing... You did not mention what % of charge was left on your phone. Last time you used your phone, if memory serves, you were down to 4% and draining fast.
Could you please forward the type of phone? That is one mean, tenacious battery
This has been good fodder for all... If you can't take it, get out da kitchen......
Personally want to shake the *Thank You* stick at the *Mods* for allowing an unabated discussion, (well, more of an inquisition) than discussion, that has unfolded in here.
Keep the malicious undertones out of your posts, and more may be allowed.
Negativity is right up front in todays world.
I suppose WGT's mods are over-loaded with that, as of late.
I only state this because I have seen some of the posts you have been denied. NOT!
I must say, when asked for my opinion on some of them, I found them derogatory at the least.
NOT!
I can't play into your delusion dude. It is WAY to easy, & would cause a tsunami of complaints .
So, I just let you continue to do it for me... With every STROKE of your digits, you bring your story to an all time pinnacle of conspiracy theories, against you, by almost EVERYONE in here, at one time
Perhaps a part time job would be better mental heath time for you, rather than rehashing old WGT quarrels.
Skippity de do da, skippity de day, If I don't get to work, my phone's last charge, will wither away...........
Positive advice for the chargingly challenged people.......................
Takes fewer muscles to smile, than frown

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1,629 Posts Fri, Aug 13 2021 5:40 AM
Paul i am glad you are in a better place now, i cant imagine the anguish you and your wife experienced.
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22,473 Posts Fri, Aug 13 2021 1:21 PM
gonfission:
You are aligned with the *VEM* crowd. Crazy would be a good fit
Lol , that's news to me .
gonfission:
Your delusions are self induced.
No delusions here .
gonfission:
By the way. Remember when I said you would beat yourself up better than I ever could? Member that?
Well, you're doing a bang-up job of it... Thank you
Don't know what thread you're reading .
gonfission:
This has been good fodder for all... If you can't take it, get out da kitchen......
Never been one to be bothered by any of this . I have only ever been stopped by moderation .
gonfission:
all time pinnacle of conspiracy theories, against you, by almost EVERYONE in here, at one time
Never once . No theories . What we see is what we get .
gonfission:
Perhaps a part time job would be better mental heath time for you,
With the exception of part of 2018 . Have been working full time for 47 years .
gonfission:
Takes fewer muscles to smile, than frown
One of the happiest smiling people you will ever meet .
pdb1
22,473 Posts Fri, Aug 13 2021 6:49 PM
tramilleo:
Paul i am glad you are in a better place now, i cant imagine the anguish you and your wife experienced.
Thank you .
SamSpayed
3,262 Posts Mon, Aug 16 2021 5:35 PM
pdb1:
It is one thing to be Moderated . And have a rapport with Moderation . Which I always had .
But to change from that to having 30 % of my posts not posted . To not responding to requests to discuss this issue . To more than obvious favoritism . Allowing a certain group of individuals to run rampant with no consequences .
But not even allow me to post . For the last 4 years .
Is more than depressing .
Paul, I'm going to be brutally honest with you here. There are very good reasons why you remain on moderation. You know exactly what those reasons are. WGT has told you why. You've posted what they told you here in the Forums, in another thread. I will not repeat it here.
Although I have no say in the matter, IMHO you should remain on moderation indefinitely. In fact, in my opinion (and probably the opinions of many others here), WGT does not moderate you enough. You continually clog threads with nonsense. You resurrect threads that have been dormant for years without adding anything to the discussion. You derail threads with pictures of trophies that ought to be posted on users' Walls instead... or sent to them in a private message. You post tons of misinformation, and the saddest thing about that is that when you do so, you mislead new players who don't know any better. You make long, bloviated posts about nothing... some of which are just endless links to other Forum posts. And those are just some of your offenses here.
There is an internet adage called Godwin's Law that you might be familiar with. I am going to coin a new, similar law that I'll call "Sammy's Law". My new law states that the longer a WGT forum thread goes on, the higher the probability becomes that pdb1 will post some utter nonsense in that thread.
tl;dr: You might consider posting less. In fact, please do.
TopShelf2010
10,317 Posts Mon, Aug 16 2021 6:26 PM
SamSpayed:
Paul, I'm going to be brutally honest with you here
EPIC Mic Drop post my friend.

Classic... Will save that for the history books.

Well done.

Don
twinponds169
2,593 Posts Mon, Aug 16 2021 7:35 PM
SamSpayed:
Paul, I'm going to be brutally honest with you here. There are very good reasons why you remain on moderation. You know exactly what those reasons are. WGT has told you why. You've posted what they told you here in the Forums, in another thread. I will not repeat it here.
Although I have no say in the matter, IMHO you should remain on moderation indefinitely. In fact, in my opinion (and probably the opinions of many others here), WGT does not moderate you enough. You continually clog threads with nonsense. You resurrect threads that have been dormant for years without adding anything to the discussion. You derail threads with pictures of trophies that ought to be posted on users' Walls instead... or sent to them in a private message. You post tons of misinformation, and the saddest thing about that is that when you do so, you mislead new players who don't know any better. You make long, bloviated posts about nothing... some of which are just endless links to other Forum posts. And those are just some of your offenses here.
There is an internet adage called Godwin's Law that you might be familiar with. I am going to coin a new, similar law that I'll call "Sammy's Law". My new law states that the longer a WGT forum thread goes on, the higher the probability becomes that pdb1 will post some utter nonsense in that thread.
tl;dr: You might consider posting less. In fact, please do.
WHAM BAM THANK YOU MAAM
+1000 Sam, absolutely spot on.
And +1000 to Joe as well, he is also spot on.
pdb1
22,473 Posts Mon, Aug 16 2021 7:39 PM
SamSpayed:
Although I have no say in the matter, IMHO you should remain on moderation indefinitely. In fact, in my opinion (and probably the opinions of many others here),
I get that . I also get that you guys think you all got it like that . And there is no room for others outside your norm .
Just because you vocalize your views of me . Does not mean you are of the same opinion as the majority . The majority that would rather not take a chance at getting mowed over by one of you guys .

SamSpayed:
You might consider posting less. In fact, please do.
.
I won't consider it . But I won't be posting more .
There is no way I haven't been helpful and positive and optimistic in a majority of what I post .
I have the thank you's and the wall posts and PM messages to tell me that many feel I'm doing things right .
Many more than your little circle of elite snobs .
So regardless of your disrespectful tendencies towards me . It doesn't phase me in the least .
IDK why you even persist . Your arrogance is bewildering . You all should be embarrassed .
pdb1
22,473 Posts Mon, Aug 16 2021 8:34 PM
twinponds169:
WHAM BAM THANK YOU MAAM
+1000 Sam, absolutely spot on.
And +1000 to Joe as well, he is also spot on.
Lol . But nowhere close to reality .

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ct690911
6,356 Posts Mon, Aug 16 2021 10:18 PM
I have tremendous respect for Sam Spayed. His views are well penned and almost always on point (IMHO).
That said, the things Paul is guilty of, many others are also guilty of. They are not moderated for years.
Perhaps my empathy (and sympathy) is misplaced, but after also being moderated for a long time, I maintain that Paul's ongoing punishment is harsh considering his "crimes". Paul can be be verbose, but I think he is well intentioned..
ct
craigswan
21,080 Posts Tue, Aug 17 2021 2:31 AM
There is one thing for certain on wgt you find out who your friends are paul .
Ask henry .
Posting on here is almost guaranteed for anyone to be shot down in flames .
Tough skin required .
But without people sticking their head above the parapet these forums would be non- existent .
Keep posting paul .
craigswan
21,080 Posts Tue, Aug 17 2021 2:34 AM
Word of the day: LOGODIARRHOEA - an uncontrolled flow of words .
Turns out diarrhea means through-flow from the Greek..
pdb1
22,473 Posts Tue, Aug 17 2021 5:21 AM
SamSpayed:
Paul, I'm going to be brutally honest with you here.

SamSpayed wrote "Kind Words"
at 11:32 AM on October 11, 2020
Hi Paul. Thank you for your kind words in the Forum. Also, thank you for your gifting the putter to my fellow CC member. That was very nice of you and did not go unnoticed.

SamSpayed
02 Jan 2021 @ 6:57 PM
"Replay"
Thanks for converting my replay to YouTube, Paul. Very kind of you. Cheers!
twinponds169
2,593 Posts Tue, Aug 17 2021 10:09 AM
That's because Sam is a first class gent. Normally I consider myself to be a fairly friendly nice guy as well.
But one can only put up with the diarrhea Craig mentions above, for so long, before resorting to Kaopectate and other such measures.
I'm also pretty certain that you live for, and will thrive on this, so I doubt it will alleviate the runs much at all.
pdb1
22,473 Posts Tue, Aug 17 2021 12:31 PM
This is just unbelievable . To think that you or anyone actually buys any of this . To make it seem as though I am that much different from any of you is wrong . Other than what I try to convey is positive and helpful . As is what most of you do as well . Except when it comes to me .
And that is what makes what you say incredible . Because you have done it before . To others for years .
Besides all your helpful expertise . There is always another negative target for you .
It is just a vicious cycle being repeated for 10 years now .
And NO . I do not thrive on it . I HATE it . I cannot stand it . I wish it never happened . I wish it would go away . Forever . Never to be brought up again . If you think otherwise you are wrong . If you think I instigate it . Read again . I only defend myself . And do not return the insults ever . I could and I want to but I don't . I keep my dignity .
pdb1
22,473 Posts Tue, Aug 17 2021 4:31 PM
twinponds169:
Normally I consider myself to be a fairy
twinponds169
2,593 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 9:54 AM
pdb1:
Except when it comes to me .
This seems accurate.
pdb1:
Because you have done it before . To others for years .
There is always another negative target for you .
This contradicts the above though.
Can't think of any of all these imagined others and targets.
Uh oh. Page long list in the making........
twinponds169
2,593 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 9:57 AM
pdb1:
twinponds169:
Normally I consider myself to be a fairy
And do not return the insults ever . I could and I want to but I don't . I keep my dignity .
Contradicting yourself again, huh?
Can't keep what ya don't have.
craigswan
21,080 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 10:06 AM

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by **Paul** Tue 24 Aug 2021, 10:53 am

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Mythanatos
1,925 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 11:07 AM
pdb1:
Other than what I try to convey is positive and helpful .

problem is you post so much wrong stuff that anything you post is suspect.
And your posts are usually exceedingly long and hard to follow. They are very disjointed. Ramble here. Ramble there.
The longer words are often misused.
Some people think you do it on purpose for troll effect. I personally think it's more of a comprehension issue. The synapses aren't connecting.
I'm not sure which is worse.
SamSpayed
3,262 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 1:17 PM
WORD OF THE DAY

Paul... if you want to be helpful and not just post for the sake of posting, this is the recipe I'd suggest you follow:
1. Post less
2. Shorten your posts when you do post
3. If a question has already been answered, don't repeat the answer
4. If you don't know the answer to a question, or how something works, don't reply
5. Put your trophies on people's Walls, not in the Forums
I think if you started doing all that, you'd start getting a lot more respect here in the Forums. And it might go a long way towards helping you eventually get off of moderation. Just my thoughts.
pdb1
22,473 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 3:05 PM
SamSpayed:
I think if you started doing all that, you'd start getting a lot more respect here in the Forums.
Thanks but no thanks Sam for the advice . There was a time when I may have taken your advice more seriously . But since you have gravitated over to the maybe half a dozen at the most that you want me to gain respect from
SamSpayed:
more respect here in the Forums.
I don't think I could do anything to gain respect from the the group you are referring .
I get plenty of respect from the the general forum users . And the WGT Universe .
But I am aware of your complaints .

Mythanatos:
problem is you post so much wrong stuff that anything you post is suspect.
I really wish you would quit saying that . It is simply not even close to the truth . I literally have pages and pages of truthful accounts of many scenarios here in WGT . Most all of it verifiable . Some of it my indisputable opinion .
But you who have some interesting posts yourself . Are fairly new to this . Have only been witness to a couple of very minor errors that were easily corrected . Some only a matter of updated protocol or statistics .
The hyperbole or exaggerations are out of place here .
DodgyPutter
3,939 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 3:52 PM

SamSpayed:
You post tons of misinformation, and the saddest thing about that is that when you do so, you mislead new players who don't know any better.

So that's his biggest crime? Where do you set the bar on this? How about someone who seems to think wgt can do no wrong for example, obviously untrue but unlikely to get moderated I suppose. I would also disagree with your apparent assumption that new players are inherently stupid.

Very few (bordering on none?) new players will read through Paul's posts (I could stop there but....) and damage their game from doing that. I personally think that the majority on here mislead new players about vem, the new players will then see it in their game so instead of fixing what they are doing wrong they'll just blame mistakes on that.

These reasoned, and genuinely meant, posts are what a forum is about but I do think they are damaging. I really don't think Paul's are.

SamSpayed:
There is an internet adage called Godwin's Law that you might be familiar with. I am going to coin a new, similar law that I'll call "Sammy's Law". My new law states that the longer a WGT forum thread goes on, the higher the probability becomes that pdb1 will post some utter nonsense in that thread.

The big difference being that Godwin's Law is not aimed as an insult toward a specific person whereas "Sammy's Law" is. The fact it's true is irrelevant, it's also true that in these circumstances the probability of you, me or anyone posting utter nonsense grows as does the possibility of us posting something to show understanding of someone who clearly has this forum as an important part of his life, although it may need to be a very long thread for the latter to happen.

I don't disagree that his posts sometimes seem random and are annoying; one long post accused me of falsely accusing someone and came with quotes from my post to show this, trouble was the quotes from my post were in fact me quoting the other person :-/. Confusing enough to get me moderated? Anyway the thread was frozen before I could reply (or maybe I'd be moderated now) but if it hadn’t been I’d have answered that particular post saying where and why it was wrong not join a campaign and suggest publicly that he should be moderated more.

I could point to other people that I find a waste of space and annoying, but I don’t think they should be moderated. I can ignore them or, if in the mood for it, enjoy getting annoyed reading what they say and maybe even reply.

Yes he gets things wrong but generally he apologises and fixes things as best as he can, as you would if you repeated as fact some utter nonsense you heard about the gambling laws in Scotland ;-)

Mythanatos:
Some people think you do it on purpose for troll effect. I personally think it's more of a comprehension issue. The synapses aren't connecting.
I'm not sure which is worse.
Are you seriously suggesting that he should post less as he isn't intelligent enough for you? Maybe he’s just not pompous enough.
The bottom line for me here is intention; does Paul try to help people or is he deliberately misleading them. It looks to me like he's trying to be helpful and sometimes not being very good at it, other times he does help people. If he helps half the people he tries to that'll be a lot more than most of us.
Sam the thread you linked, the one nobody replied to, what possible harm did that do to anyone? Personally I did click some of the links and look at the threads.
Simply don’t read his posts if you don't like them, don’t try to ruin the enjoyment he gets from constructing them, that's just destructive.
pdb1
22,473 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 5:54 PM
Thank you . I think DP .
DodgyPutter:
Now I want to address the majority of my posts . Especially ones like the 1st Poster . And or random silly questions by newer players that sit there for days , weeks , months with no response .
Most of all of those I will reply to . I will provide screen shots . Quotes from various rules . My opinion on the subject .
Most of the time I am the first to respond . Sometimes someone else has responded before me . Sometimes I interject a different perspective . To enlighten the player of the fact that there are choices .
You won't hear me say that my way is the only way .
And sometimes it is going to get a little long winded . Or a lot . Because these are complex scenarios . With many different takes . I feel that sometimes these subjects warrant a lengthy explanation . It could save them months or years of going about it the long way .
I truly know that this is what I am intending to do . IDK why any of you would even care or read my content . I wouldn't assume to know more or even try to change your minds on anything . At the most I might have a different perspective or opinion on something .
DP I do not remember when I or if I challenged you . It must have been as you said . I probably should have stayed out of it .
Sometimes I do have a memory problem . I try to minimize getting too many of those . At the same time . There is a lot of content to remember . Impossible in fact .
Just like it is impossible to see all of the posts in these forums . There has been several times that a popular post to some of you . Was one that I had never seen . Some just find that too hard to accept . And call me out on it . Lol . Why would I lie ? If I had seen it prior . I would have posted in it then . If I say I hadn't seen it . I hadn't seen it .
Now when somebody says something like this .

Mythanatos:
Some people think you do it on purpose for troll effect. I personally think it's more of a comprehension issue. The synapses aren't connecting.
I'm not sure which is worse.

Doesn't it look more like he is trolling or not comprehending ? It certainly does to me .
As there is no basis or evidence to that effect . Completely out of left field .
He says his nerves aren't connecting .
Well it doesn't take much to see where and how my posts are relevant to whoever made the inquiry . No mystery there . Easy to connect .
SamSpayed
3,262 Posts Wed, Aug 18 2021 9:24 PM
pdb1:
Now when somebody says something like this .

Mythanatos:
Some people think you do it on purpose for troll effect. I personally think it's more of a comprehension issue. The synapses aren't connecting.
I'm not sure which is worse.
Doesn't it look more like he is trolling or not comprehending ? It certainly does to me .
As there is no basis or evidence to that effect . Completely out of left field .
He says his nerves aren't connecting .
Paul, Mythanatos is referring to your synapses, not his. I think he's dead on accurate. I mean, you yourself just said:
pdb1:
Sometimes I do have a memory problem .
And in another thread yesterday, where you were called out for yet another mistake:
pdb1:
How about early Alzheimer's . No joke . Something I don't want to admit .
I think that may explain a lot.
My opinions on your ongoing moderation notwithstanding, I do sincerely hope for the best for you, Paul.
DodgyPutter
3,939 Posts Thu, Aug 19 2021 3:39 AM
pdb1:
Thank you . I think DP .
Lol, I know what you mean.
Paul I'm not going to say you're always right on point or whatever, you're not, but I do believe you are trying to help/inform and that's a good thing.
Your right to post is, and should be, the same as everyone else's. Whether you should be in moderation I really don't know but I think for others to suggest to you in an open forum that you should be moderated more is, I feel, wrong.
Sometimes I read your posts in detail, sometimes I skim them and sometimes I ignore them, that's my choice the same one everyone has.
pdb1:
DP I do not remember when I or if I challenged you . It must have been as you said . I probably should have stayed out of it .
The case I was referring to you had posted many times earlier in the thread and you seemed to understand what was being talked about/what the evidence was but in your last post as well as suggesting wrongly I said things to someone (I in fact quoted them saying them) you asked what the evidence was (it was in the first post and often talked about). If you can find the time try to read through the whole thread and maybe you'll see what I mean.
I do think that recently you've been worse at remembering things. If you're seriously worried about memory loss please get it checked out there could be many reasons for this, vitamin B-12 deficiency and sleep deprivation being two, other than Alzheimer's.
To me the main problem here is is how wgt apply moderation, the way it works helps nobody. First off you see moderated posts asking questions about how to download, how to get credits and generally fundamental enquiries that are approved but not answered.
Why would that be? Is it a wgt employee reads them and doesn't answer ("that's someone else's job, I'm not doing it") or is the whole system automated in some way? I can't see the latter being the case. I did spend a long time on moderation and, like you, couldn't figure out why some posts went through while others didn't. I too would keep them and look back mystified, I even wondered at one point if it was that every third post was blocked.
As well as the above a moderated persons posts are slotted in to a thread at the time they were submitted and as that can happen days later (when the thread has moved on) leading to confusion and repetition for everyone, not just the moderated poster. You can also edit your posts (say what you like) without moderation so really overall what's the point in it.
pdb1
22,473 Posts Thu, Aug 19 2021 11:21 AM
DodgyPutter:
I do think that recently you've been worse at remembering things.
Well I hadn't noticed . But I am thinking about checking out Glucosamine chondroitin . For my arthritis . To help me through the day . And some other things . But not looking to take a bunch of meds .
pdb1:
How about early Alzheimer's . No joke . Something I don't want to admit . Is a possibility .
But here is more likely that I am in too much of a hurry .
To me the main issue is :
DodgyPutter:
To me the main problem here is is how wgt apply moderation, the way it works helps nobody.
.
DodgyPutter:
Is it a wgt employee reads them and doesn't answer
The answer is yes it is a person . But the training is in question .
If I or someone else moderated accidentally click twice on a post . The moderator posts both of them . Even if I wanted to double post ( which I don't ) . The moderators job is to moderate and not allow double posting .
What little amount of support they have given years and years ago . Is a thing of the past . And have made it very clear this is not a support forum .
I do believe that there is corruption and favoritism in the moderation department . Other admin departments have almost admitted this . But the problem lies in the senority of the head of the department . ___ is untouchable .
This is not a conspiracy theory or paranoia . I have been corresponding with them for way too long . And I get little tid bits here and there .
The reason I am not relieved of my moderation is not on the grounds of my posts or any of my content .
SamSpayed:
Paul, Mythanatos is referring to your synapses, not his.
I know that Sam . Who the F cares what he thinks about me . And what business is it of yours either Sam ?
Good grief man . I didn't ask you . Nobody asked you . Neither of you are qualified to make any diagnosis on anyone .
Everyone is clear about your judgements by now as well . Give it a rest . If you ask me . You all are way too far up my ass .
twinponds169
2,593 Posts Thu, Aug 19 2021 11:45 AM
pdb1:
Neither of you are qualified to make any diagnosis on anyone .
I think everyone here is qualified to say that you are nuckin futz.
el3n1
3,924 Posts Thu, Aug 19 2021 4:49 PM
I am trying to be thoughtful and considerate here, I hope it is read with that intention.
pdb1:
And what business is it of yours
Sometimes Paul - you make it our business by merely interjecting into as many forum threads as possible. That does not mean you have not tried to have good intentions, but it also does not mean you have never written something wrong or inaccurate.
It is just as reasonable to slow down - be concise and ensure accuracy rather than rush to get in yet another post.
I am not saying some responses to you are completely justified, but I also have observed people attempting to be cordial and respectful yet you still remain defiant on some topics where others are more knowledgeable, even when they are trying to be helpful.
Increasing the Quality of your post versus increasing the Quantity of them could possibly help. You alluded to rushing or not paying close enough attention - well that can be part of the problem. Take the time to confirm or verify those things.
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As Dodgyputter noted - the false statement you made in that thread, which I also participated in, before it was closed - was also what rubbed me the wrong way - because once it was closed no one was capable of correcting that statement and it could be one of the last things people see and assume there was some merit to it - if they did not follow the entire thread.
It was after that - I started paying attention to a few of your post and there were at least 3 or 4 recently that I felt were not quite accurate - but I had not been in all of those threads or discussions so I left it for others to correct. I did not feel it was my place to correct you - because it was not a thread I had any vested interest in or been involved in that discussion already - and I would have been interjecting just to correct you - that would have felt like I was targeting you and looked like I was making an excuse just to point out where you were not being accurate or making a false claim.
I have learned quite a bit in my relatively short 4 1/2 years - but I still don't claim to know everything. I still consult others whom I think may have a better understanding of something than me - and I will do that before I post sometimes - if it is important - I may even ask someone to review a post before sharing it in the open forum because I am thoughtful enough that I don't want to come across as overly harsh or a bully or a troll.
That does not mean, some people will still think or feel that way, but I genuinely try to be considerate. Also, sometimes, it is the people that care enough to say - hey - you don't quite seem like yourself lately, have you checked in with anyone about that? Family members, friends, or even a doctor?
This is not a judgement or a diagnosis - its a reflection based on observations of the exchanges you have had with others.
For what it is worth - I lost an uncle to Alzheimer's - it is not fun and it is also hard on friends and family members. If this is a diagnosis and not just suspected then - make sure you are getting some help - don't live in denial it is not going to get better.
Find a support group - learn what you can to manage it as best you can - You can have good days and bad days - but if you are not careful - you may drive us crazy as well as feel like we are driving you crazy.
Please - take care of yourself! We can't do that for you - you have to.

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SamSpayed
3,263 Posts Thu, Aug 19 2021 4:53 PM
pdb1:
And what business is it of yours either Sam ?
Good grief man . I didn't ask you . Nobody asked you . Neither of you are qualified to make any diagnosis on anyone .
Everyone is clear about your judgements by now as well . Give it a rest .
Paul, you were the one who posted your own personal woes (memory problems, early Alzheimer's) for all to see here in the Forums, so you should expect comments on what you posted. That's the way Forums work. If you don't want comments on what you post, then quit posting.
axstrat
403 Posts Thu, Aug 19 2021 5:21 PM
The Judge gave me 6 months for a minor infraction and I said I can do that standing on my head...The judge gave me another 6 months to get back on my feet....:-)
craigswan
21,080 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 3:19 AM
Dementia .
I have not had a drink in 3 years as on average twice a week i get a phone call about father in law from his helpline to go and help him in the middle of the night .
He is going downhill fast so i say .
Use it or lose it:
Doing brain-stimulating activities -- like reading books, writing letters and solving everyday problems -- through old age may help prevent clinical signs of dementia such as memory loss .
So being on these forums is helping paul .
craigswan
21,080 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 4:18 AM
craigswan
21,080 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 4:20 AM
craigswan
21,080 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 4:25 AM
8 Tips For Online Community Moderators.
1. Be Objective
Guidelines are there to help keep things as black and white as possible. Sometimes grey incurs, and usually you will have an opinion. But it’s important to try to stay objective, and keep your opinions and feelings out of the discussion. When grey areas do occur, that may be a perfect time to raise a flag with the moderator team to get a group consensus, a time to update guidelines, or even reach out to the community manager/company representative if you represent a brand.
2. Be Considerate and Helpful
Know your community and create a nice environment for discussion, support and connection. Some members may be lurkers, so be cautious and considerate when you call people out publicly. It’s better to be safe than sorry and communicate through a private message instead of shaming them in public. Use your judgement if you feel that things need to be called out - use your discretion and seek a second opinion.
Ask forum members to treat the forum with the same respect they would a public park, as a shared community resource and a place to share skills, knowledge and interests through ongoing conversation.
3. Have Clear Community Guidelines
Having a well-designed forum with clear on-boarding instructions is important as it will allow a user to immediately understand what it means to be a member of the community. Not only that, but it helps save you time from answering repetitive questions. New members should feel right at home, understand how to become a member of the community, what behaviours are acceptable and know where reach out for help.
From the user experience, category and thread organization to user management, making sure everything is organized is important. If the forum is messy, it will only cause problems for the users and make your life harder. Be sure that you have a wiki so that you can describe in detail how to use the forum, before a new member posts something offensive or/off-topic.
4. Be Consistent and Visible!
Make sure that you engage in a number of different ways. You don’t need to comment on every post to be “engaged." Take advantage of the various ways your platform supports showing engagement such as up-voting, or liking. Remember, you want to be the example of how you wish your members to interact. Be visible, positive and encouraging!
Showing your members that you are there is important. If a member is helpful, or does something great, let them know about it! Reinforce the positive contributions and behaviour that you see.
5. Use Your Powers for Good
The community is more important than you. That goes for any single member of a forum as well. If a forum member, no matter what their status or privilege is, behaves in a way that goes against the community values and guidelines, they need to go. Remember that your community reputation is at stake, and having a poor reputation, or one that's known to be toxic will lose you new contributors. Additionally, your reputation will ultimately determine the quality and characteristics of the contributors you get, so make sure you stay vigilant.
Don't see mistakes as bad. It's similar to a kid learning to ride a bike without the training wheels. It may take a few times and that's normal.
Some forums have permanent ban options and allow you to even block an email or IP address. These are reserved for the worst spammers and abusers. A ban is more permanent and has major negative connotations, so it must be used as a last resort. You must practice fair policing.

Asking nicely has its limits, eventually you must take action..
6. Find the value for your members.
Having a clear strategy and philosophy around your forum and alignment is very important. Ask yourself these questions:
- What is your community about? What's your user demographic?
- What's your target user demographic if you're not so fond of the one you have now?
- What's the goal of the forum for you? What would be the goal of using the forum for the users?
Understanding the value add for your users is important. Remember, people are coming to your community because there is some value for them, which means your members are like minded and interested.
Often times in some communities, there are barriers for beginners. It’s important to make sure that new ideas, and beginners are welcome. But equally important is also making sure the guidelines and code of conduct are visible and well integrated into the experience.
As a community manager, and moderator, you facilitate and foster a civilized place for public discussion. When you create an inclusive community and many ways for folks to get involved and contribute, you will see an increase in engagement and membership. Engagement drives collaboration.
You need to ask yourself are they engaged? Do they have a voice? Adapt the tool to the user, not the user to the tool.
7. You’re only as good as your platform.
Good forum platforms will have good moderator features such as: flagging system, sso, user groups, badges, cursing filters, analytics, notifications, search, and good customization options.
If you are needing to approve every post, and locking all the threads, something is wrong. Be aware of threadjacking and have systems to defeat the trolls. For example, some forums have spam filters that can help catch most of the spammers automatically, allow thread locking/closing, and temporary bans.
It’s also very important to have an off-topic thread. Consider creating an introduce yourself thread, and a category for meta discussions.
There is no one size fits all approach. You need to do the research to see what is best for your community. What type of interaction style do your members want? What kind of features? What do you need to be successful as a Community Manager?
8. Don’t Burn out!
It’s ok to need to take a break, or only commit to a few days or hours a week. It’s important to let the community manager know and your fellow moderator team.
Make sure you take the breaks and time for yourself that you need before it’s too late. Getting positive feedback and engagement from a community is energizing and encouraging! However, some communities are hard, and suck up a lot of time and energy.
Be conscious of this. Building a moderator team and support system around you is very important, and follow some of the steps above to make your life easier!
Being a moderator is great experience and an opportunity to connect with the internal team of a company and gain new skills. It will help you create relationships, not only within your organization but also with your community members.
craigswan
21,080 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 4:28 AM
Sorry guys .
That last post was about as long as paul's normal posts .
pdb1
22,473 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 11:50 AM
craigswan:
Doing brain-stimulating activities -- like reading books, writing letters and solving everyday problems -- through old age may help prevent clinical signs of dementia such as memory loss
craigswan:
So being on these forums is helping paul .
And the rest of my day I read all kinds of stimulating erotica .
DodgyPutter
3,939 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 3:43 PM
pdb1:
And the rest of my day I read all kinds of stimulating erotica .
and celebrate no longer being moderated? Congratulations.
Strange how things work out.
craigswan
21,080 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 4:57 PM
Really pleased for you paul .

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pdb1
22,473 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 6:47 PM
Thanks guys . It feels GR8 .
Wutpa
4,767 Posts Fri, Aug 20 2021 7:30 PM
pdb1:
Thanks guys . It feels GR8 .
Congratulations on being busted out of forum prison.
Hopefully via this thread or through your own powers of deduction you have a clear enough idea what got you moderated before, so you can stay a free man this time.
craigswan
21,080 Posts Sat, Aug 21 2021 2:58 AM
Cuttlefish are better at remembering what they ate for lunch last Wednesday than most humans..
because they always eat the same thing for every meal .
they never have dementia .
Interviewer: wednesday week?
Cuttlefish: oh, I had seafood.
Interviewer: Thursday before that?
Cuttlefish: seafood .
Interviewer: okay, six weeks ago?
Cuttlefish: seafood.
Interviewer: this is astounding..
pdb1
22,473 Posts Sat, Aug 21 2021 6:22 AM
Wutpa:
Congratulations on being busted out of forum prison.
Hopefully via this thread or through your own powers of deduction you have a clear enough idea what got you moderated before, so you can stay a free man this time.
Thanks
Well what I do have clear is how to stay unmoderated . Never really had mutual acknowledgement of exactly what was the basis of that . But it's finally all good now . I won't have any problems keepin it that way .
ct690911
6,356 Posts Sat, Aug 21 2021 7:16 AM
pdb1:
Wutpa:
Congratulations on being busted out of forum prison.
Hopefully via this thread or through your own powers of deduction you have a clear enough idea what got you moderated before, so you can stay a free man this time.
Thanks
Well what I do have clear is how to stay unmoderated . Never really had mutual acknowledgement of exactly what was the basis of that . But it's finally all good now . I won't have any problems keepin it that way .
The problem has always been wgt's (lack of) consistency with their policies. I was moderated for a year for lesser "crimes" than many others who received no penalty at all. It often depends on whatever mood the moderator is in that day....sad really.
ct
craigswan
21,080 Posts Sun, Aug 22 2021 2:18 AM
Mythanatos
1,925 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 3:11 PM
pdb1:
Good grief man . I didn't ask you . Nobody asked you . Neither of you are qualified to make any diagnosis on anyone .
Figured this part above it all needed to be addressed.
Diagnosis. I didn't make one. I just made a general assessment without a diagnosis.
Now as to me, because you pushed it.
I'm a dentist. got my doctorate at 23. Could have done anything i wanted including med school. I'm that kind of test taker. Wanted the independence of a dental practice as opposed to groups and hospitals.
What i do is see 20-30 patients a day. And i've done it for 30 years now. Dentists are often the first medical professional to catch alot of problems. Many people see us more than they see their MD. The number of cases of where we see a High blood pressure that we've referred that got diagnosed as hypertension is in the 100s over the years.
What I also have seen are all kinds of mental disorders and problems. Autism of various types, tourette's, alzheimers, dementia of various origins , anxiety of various degrees, depression etc. Also with these sometimes I'm the first person that tells a spouse or a child that they should probably get their family member evaluated by an MD.
So... when i say that i don't think your synapses are connecting right. I'm not making a diagnosis but an observation. As to what that medical diagnosis is i leave that to the people that can legally make that determination.
although one could go by twinponds super generic non medical observation which is you're just "nuckin futs".
ct690911
6,356 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 3:54 PM
"...although one could go by twinponds super generic non medical observation which is you're just "nuckin futs"."
Ouch...a fairly harsh "observation". There are some posters on here I have come to respect...for both their opinions and their ability to articulate those opinions. Mythanatos is one of them. That said, I have to disagree with both him and twinponds on this one. Paul has always struck me as verbose, but basically harmless with his posts. He is not an overt narcissist like some nor is he a BS'er. I did have a problem with him during the go fund me issue, but we have resolved that.
Some people on here are just plain nasty...mean spirited and love to bully others. Paul is none of these things. I also don't think he is mentally handicapped in any way. He seems to do his best to help others and, even when his advice is off the mark, it is provided with the best of intentions.
My view, anyway.
ct
SimonTheBeetle
2,423 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 4:24 PM
Your View = My View
Well said, ct. Respect!
pdb1
22,473 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 6:15 PM
What I have seen for years and years is a lot of banter . With a couple of exceptions there was always respect . Some just do not accept respect .
What I found very little of was hating . Recently I have felt some hating by a couple . Unprovoked , undeserved . Yet It comes so natural to some . I don't think there is any place for it . But it has never mattered what I think . Since that mentality is only equal to the moderators . It is here to stay . It's a shame . No respect and hating is a bad combination .

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pdb1
22,473 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 6:22 PM
Mythanatos:
Now as to me, because you pushed it.
Lol . Now you're delusional . If you want to boast . Go ahead . But don't put it on me .
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Mythanatos
1,925 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 7:00 PM
“Neither if you are qualified to diagnose”. You said that
Alzheimer’s kicking in?

i qualified my response and why I said what I said. And that it wasn’t a diagnosis.
SamSpayed
3,263 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 8:06 PM
ct690911:
Paul has always struck me as verbose, but basically harmless with his posts. He is not an overt narcissist like some nor is he a BS'er.
Unfortunately, his recent posts after being released from moderation indicate otherwise.
pdb1:
I would also beat either one of you half of the time we played . Anytime .
As far as my WGT knowledge . I have both of you beat by many years . My self awareness is sharp as a tack . Cognitive skills are way above normal .
If that's not narcissism and BS, I don't know what is.
Based on his voluminous posts in that thread, I would say he's learned nothing here. It's truly sad to see
pdb1
22,473 Posts Mon, Aug 23 2021 9:31 PM
SamSpayed:
I would say he's learned nothing here. It's truly sad to see
Oh were you trying to teach me something Sam ? If that was your goal . You would fail as a teacher . No one listens to negativity . If you think I or anyone could get anything out of what you two spew to me . In any thread . Think again .
I know you have to be joking . But you may accomplish darkening my demeanor . Quashing my spirits . You seem to be very good at that . But I'm sure you know that .
craigswan
21,080 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 1:56 AM
When the sea slug gets parasites, it rips its own head off and grows an entire new body..
Bit like wgt forums then .
If I ripped my own head off my body, I'd be besides myself. .
DodgyPutter
3,939 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 3:10 AM
Flame baiting is a term that springs to mind. This stopped when WGT took him out of moderation but it seems you wanted to stir it up again.
Mythanatos:
pdb1:
Good grief man . I didn't ask you . Nobody asked you . Neither of you are qualified to make any diagnosis on anyone .
Figured this part above it all needed to be addressed.
Diagnosis. I didn't make one. I just made a general assessment without a diagnosis.
Now as to me, because you pushed it.
That (What was partially quoted by you and fully by me) was in a post answering Sam and myself and was addressed mainly to Sam as your skillfull editing managed to hide .
I know that Sam . Who the F cares what he thinks about me . And what business is it of yours either Sam ?
Good grief man . I didn't ask you . Nobody asked you . Neither of you are qualified to make any diagnosis on anyone .
There are others, apart from me, that could be the second part of "both" you are just one of them.
and so we go on to....
Mythanatos:
I'm a dentist. got my doctorate at 23. Could have done anything i wanted including med school. I'm that kind of test taker. Wanted the independence of a dental practice as opposed to groups and hospitals.
What i do is see 20-30 patients a day. And i've done it for 30 years now. Dentists are often the first medical professional to catch alot of problems. Many people see us more than they see their MD. The number of cases of where we see a High blood pressure that we've referred that got diagnosed as hypertension is in the 100s over the years.
What I also have seen are all kinds of mental disorders and problems. Autism of various types, tourette's, alzheimers, dementia of various origins , anxiety of various degrees, depression etc. Also with these sometimes I'm the first person that tells a spouse or a child that they should probably get their family member evaluated by an MD.
So... when i say that i don't think your synapses are connecting right. I'm not making a diagnosis but an observation. As to what that medical diagnosis is i leave that to the people that can legally make that determination.
You could have just said, you're right I'm not qualified (if you had to make it about you).
SPAMMING AND/OR TROLLING
Do not post anything that is, or could be, construed to be:
• repeatedly communicating the same or similar message
• creating, participating or perpetuating conversations with the intention of causing unrest within the community •
• communicating in a harmfully deceptive manner
• joining a conversation with the intention of derailing it
• communicating in a harmfully deceptive manner
If anyone accidently gives wrong information which guideline would that be against? I'm not saying I never do anything wrong but I think what is happening in this thread now is certainly described in the first two.
pdb1
22,473 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 5:25 AM
DP . If I catch your intention . You may be hinting to those two that they are crossing moderation guidelines that are not enforced in these forums . But should be general knowledge to all responsible posters .
IE : Flame baiting
That is what I get from that .
I might be wrong .
From my point of view . The above is the way I feel . I see unprovoked and demeaning personal comments on a steady basis from those two . It bothers me that it just keeps on and on and on .
On many occasions I have asked politely for it to stop . This is not what I come to these forums to find .
I feel only the need to defend myself from some of the BS . I have no need to return the insults that never seem to stop .
This is how I have always been . This is not because I was just recently relieved of my long term moderation .
They are not hurting my feelings at any point . I do find it annoying , disgusting , juvenile to be continually attacked by such negativity .
I am sure that the majority of the other readers feel similar to me . And should not have to be subjected that content day after day . This isn't Twitter . Things like this almost resemble that . I know no one wants these forums going in that direction .
But with the exception of a few . Would not take a chance to voice an opinion . Just to avoid any repercussions . That would follow . ( not by moderation ) . Because as everyone can see . Once they start rolling . It becomes a run away freight train . With no way to stop it . And no filters .
If they wanted me to disappear . They have certainly taken an approach that would guarantee my presence . Not that I would acquiesce anyway .
I get that they find me annoying . And others may as well . But I am sure that is a minority . Just on the basis of the thank you's , wall posts , and PM messages I receive . Until I get the impression otherwise . I am still here .
Having to even endure them and not see an end to it . Just is bothersome . It shouldn't be that I gain their attention so obsessively . With out wanting it .
After all they are two highly intelligent gentlemen .
PureGro1
535 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 5:27 AM
twinponds169
2,593 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 5:59 AM
SamSpayed:
Based on his voluminous posts in that thread, I would say he's learned nothing here. It's truly sad to see
Seems our only hope is that he's not vaccinated.
The forums need a vaccine as there is an out of control virus running rampant.

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craigswan
21,107 Posts

Tue, Aug 24 2021 11:12 AM

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Ockham's Broom - the principle whereby inconvenient facts are swept under the carpet .
I like you paul .
Your like me a bit different .
And we both tend to go on a little bit .
Like a dog with a bone obsessive .
That is how we have over 20,000 posts each .
I am luckier than you though .
People just ignore me mostly .
Keep posting .
Occam's Razor - a proposed addition .

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SamSpayed
3,270 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 3:44 PM
pdb1:
If they wanted me to disappear . They have certainly taken an approach that would guarantee my presence . Not that I would acquiesce anyway .
Paul, for the record, I don't want you to disappear. I would just like to see you be a bit more reflective and thoughtful (and considerate of others' time) when you post. It really just boils down to that.
Peace out, man.
axstrat
411 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 4:35 PM

I took about a 3- 4 year hiatus from the game because of burnout. Its good to see some of you "old-timers " on still. Im a worse player than I was when I stopped :-) but like the game over all
just a shout out for the original duffers LOL
CerinoDevoti
3,215 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 4:53 PM
Just for fun I'm going to post in this thread.

Dopes that get themselves moderated earned it. Every one.

~CD~
axstrat
411 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 4:55 PM

Mythanatos:

I'm a dentist. got my doctorate at 23. Could have done anything i wanted including med school. I'm that kind of test taker. Wanted the independence of a dental practice as opposed to groups and hospitals.
What i do is see 20-30 patients a day. And i've done it for 30 years now. Dentists are often the first medical professional to catch alot of problems. Many people see us more than they see their MD. The number of cases of where we see a High blood pressure that we've referred that got diagnosed as hypertension is in the 100s over the years.
What I also have seen are all kinds of mental disorders and problems. Autism of various types, tourette's, alzheimers, dementia of various origins , anxiety of various degrees, depression etc. Also with these sometimes I'm the first person that tells a spouse or a child that they should probably get their family member evaluated by an MD.
So... when i say that i don't think your synapses are connecting right. I'm not making a diagnosis but an observation. As to what that medical diagnosis is i leave that to the people that can legally make that determination.

I need upper dentures any advice would be great
Mythanatos
1,937 Posts Tue, Aug 24 2021 7:10 PM
Pm me.
craigswan
21,107 Posts Thu, Aug 26 2021 4:12 AM
There is a mathematicians golf algorithim by David A. Cox and Steven Zucker that i am using .
Now known as the ‘Cox-Zucker machine’..
I don’t know whether to comment or not