INVITING IN FLASH NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE

THEN AND NOW



Sun 3 Sep 2017 - 10:49  As it becomes more and more evident that there is some problems . That have a tendency to spark many different unfavorable reactions and opinions and arguments . 
  Some that directly effect the survival of some events and formats in the future of WGT . 
  Some are too complicated to be certain of what kind and how much , or how many fixes it would take to solve .
 
  There is one though in particular . An area of GR8 concern to many . For various reasons . 

  Is the current old school poor excuse for an invite notification system . 

  A little tiny GREEN icon . Placed in the absolutely worst possible location one could think of . 
  
  That alone has been responsible for more devastating misunderstandings and catastrophic and devastating endings of everything from friendships to tournaments , to CC's . 

  Believe me when I tell you that the little tiny green invite icon located 2/3rds of the way up on the left side of a tab page . Is not likely to be seen by anyone that has an active brain and fingers that work . 

  As they are probably doing something constructive during their green status . Which only means that their computer is on and they are logged into WGT . 

  They are not sitting there staring at that little tiny green icon waiting to accept or decline the invites . 

  But in my case . I am extremely busy with admin . Which is my choice . But I would much rather accept an invite from anyone . And play a match . If there was a chance that I see the icon . I do surely jump on it . Unfortunately I am not in a position at the time to see the icon and I regretfully miss many invites . If I were to change my status to red . I would not have that chance to accept an invite . And it would be a week before I noticed that I was red . That sucks . So I will never turn my status from green . 

  This is a WGT wide problem and has been the case since before  I joined in 2012 . Quite simply the invite notification is a failure . There is no way you can predict what is happening on the other side of that invite . There are as many possibilities as their are players . And is not anything personally reflective to you . 

  There are ways to make the invite more likely to be noticed . Message any and all players prior and let them know you will be ready to invite soon . Any that respond . You have your answer , invite , and game . Seems like the hard way ? Thought it wouldn't be ? 

   I always encourage my members to message anyone they want to play with . Whether the person shows green , red , or even hidden . Yes they will get the email notification either way . Maybe come out of hiding . 

  The invite system is such a failure with that little tiny icon 2 thirds of the way up the left side of your screen . You have to actually literally almost stare at it at all times . So not to miss a rare or welcome invite . Very poor notification . 

  To have the same little Icon at both the top and bottom of your window tab pages. ( all the pages in WGT that are not the game client ) . Would make those invites hundreds of times more likely to be seen . 

  Or better yet  . A pop up that there is no way to avoid . That says So & So is inviting you to an alt shot match . Click here to accept , decline , leave message , or already playing 

  I know that these suggestions would be probably about 1,739th on the list . If even approved for review . 
  If you knew the turmoil and misunderstanding that this issue alone provokes non stop 24 / 7 / 365 with out fail . 
  Involving every kind of scenario . CC vs CC Interplay community organized and non community organized tournaments . Where the participants are from different CC's . Many already unfamiliar with the invite system . In which it is required that the opponents contact , communicate , arrange a mutually agreed upon time and day for which to be  GREEN . And then expect that this unlikely appointment is met by both parties . On the occasion that both parties find themselves GREEN at the same time . There is no response from the invitee . Frustrating the inviter . Causing him or her to message the unresponding  counterpart . Hopefully remaining calm and mature , professional , and polite . Inquiring about the un accepted invite that they had discussed the week before and agreed to mutually . Of course now that has blown any chances to play their match that week . And the following week one of them will be on holiday . 

  Well turned out that the invitee had in fact been GREEN and available during the agreed upon time . Had waited for the inviter to become GREEN . An extra 30 minutes . Had then gone to message the inviter and inquire . 
  The inviter it turns out had miscalculated the time difference and was actually 1 hour late . 
 

  If there were 2 more invite icons added to the the current icon . But placed one on the top and one on the bottom of the page ( s) . Anyone who was in a different area or page or looking at his daughter while she asked him what those GREEN things are blinking on the top and bottom of his page were . 
  Would be many many times more likely to see respond , and accept that all important invite . 

  Now that to some would be the more important scenario . Others that consider any of their time in WGT valuable . Would say that when they invite friends or CC mates to multiplayer matches . When the prospective invitee is GREEN . And knows the invitee is around and available . But did not respond or accept the invite . 

  And it turns out again that the invitee was just lower in the page responding to a forum post . Way below the little tiny GREEN icon 2/3rds of the way up on the left play now flash player section of the tab page . Completely out of site .

  Any dedicated and committed WGTer . Should have the ability to multi task and tend to what ever tasks is on their agenda . With the " luxury "  should be common place knowledge that . While tending to their administrative duties ( which could amount to hundreds of duties ) Should not be required to be playing a match , or just sitting there staring at the invite icon . Just for the simple reason to be aware of an invite .

  Should have the suggested 2 more notifications , or an even better system to alarm , alert , notify the moment an invite is initiated . To enable the invitee to respond quickly and timely with no chance of missing the invite from a friend that you had not heard from in 3 years . If missed would be possibly  the last opportunity to connect with that player .

  At any moment any invite could be that rare invite from a CC mate that you had never had a chance to play before . And not likely would again . From another fellow CC owner. One of the biggest highlight rounds one can play .

  Would never want to inconvenience those rare inviters .

  And should feel comfortable enough to stop playing and start answering the 100 plus messages that you received that day . To make some trophy's . To clean up the CC forum . To spend 2 or 3 hours messaging and explaining what WGT is to the several recruits that had just showed up . And literally dozens of other possible necessary tasks that any WGTer should be able to do . While staying GREEN . Available to play . As anyone would rather accept that invite and play than doing admin . So long as the invite notification were so efficient and effective that they would be seen and responded to . Whether it be to accept , or send a message , or decline . One must be able to see it . 

  In every scenario . The obvious and simple , cost effective way to solve this enormous problem that is an enormous problem . Concerning WGT  player relations and the highly volatile and negative ongoing , unnecessary daily , hourly turmoil that I would ask you to please take my word for the depth and vast effect that this issue presents . As I have only the best intentions for this WGT and my fellow players all the site wide . 

  To please take this suggestion very seriously . You can check out . investigate , interview members of my piers . Selectively and or randomly to verify and validate the extent of this problem that I feel is the root and cause of the sadly failing by the minute most popular and precious and necessary multiplayer format . 
  
  That once was a thriving and preferred choice for the masses . 

  But over time . With the various glitches in the past ( the invisible invite fiasco ) Immediately halted , ended forever . Some of the original organized ongoing site wide multiplayer tournaments . Stopped them cold in their tracks . As they all depended on the invite system for game play . WGT being the only game in town . 

  Most all of those long time favorite events for hundreds . Had played their last match . Never again to be able to generate the interest and commitment necessary to restart and continue a successful event . 

  And as the WGT community grew in leaps and bounds . Glitches came and Glitches went . Some remained and  got worse . Some became playable with work a rounds . 

  With the wavering uncertainty of game play and the always crap shoot of the multi-player invite . 

  And a couple few generational changes to the player in WGT . The trickle down effect of some of the older formats slowly but steadily dwindling down . Some to obscurity . Some still with hope to revive and live again and prosper and be enjoyed again  by the masses . 

  It would seem to be a no brainer . To install just 2 more icons added to the present featured icon . 1 to the top of the page . 1 to the bottom of the page . The smallest fix to one of the most volatile concerns today . 

  Sincerely GR8ly concerned as always


Sun 27 Sep 2020 - 9:30
With the changes that have come to the game, having a method of communication outside of WGT is vital. All the more reason to have programs such as Discord or TeamSpeak or Steam in everyday use by WGT golfers.

  Yes those programs are very helpful . When you have a network of friends that agree . When those friends are on and green and responding . Then it may be easier to invite and coordinate games .

  But if those friends are not available . Or not available often .
  Then multiplayer will be difficult . And will not have Discord or TeamSpeak or Steam communication .
  I do not know why more players are not on board those communication devices . Except for everyone knows you talk funny . Lol . No matter so do we .
  But still the invite system . The ability to invite and notify , and receive and accept invites . Is a weak effort at best .
  Notification could be improved . By having a notification message at the top and bottom of the screen . Or a pop up message in the middle of the screen .

 

or
  Instead of the invisible little green icon first . That are most often missed . Or not clicked in time . By the time you get through the game client they have already given up on you . You just wasted the round you were in . If you were playing .
  If you were playing . You will see a pop up . Or a notification at the top and bottom of the page .
  If you are green . And not playing . That probably means you went to take a leak .Or Walmart . Or bang the next door neighbor . And you won't see a pop up no matter how big it is .
  But if you are just writing a Forum post . Or checking a leader board , etc , etc . You will see the pop up .
  But you won't see the tiny green icon . And miss another invite .
  Shouldn't be that hard to make a better notification . From my experience this would almost fix the invites . Making it so easy . Even a red headed step child could do it .

These first posts are archives and from the Flash era . This regarding that little tiny green invite icon 2/3rds up the left side of the page . Blinking away for invites . Even if you are on that page . You are likely way above or below that icon . Reading or posting , etc .
Lol . Some of these are even trimmed down .
ARCHIVES Sun, May 15 2016 9:15 AM
Besides all the copy and pasting and hopping from site to site gathering info and editing trophies etc . I also get emails and messages from members and players and friends and not so much friends from all over WGT. You know me . I just cant respond with a simple 
  Thanx 
  Paul
  I have to write a  book about every effing thing somebody asks me . All the time . That takes soo looong . It is just the way I do it .  So it is no wonder I can't see the invites from people . The same invites that I preach to everybody that they should consider accepting .
  I wish WGT would enable some kind of sound like a fire alarm or an air horn or a fog horn or a siren on the invite icon . ( joking ) Or maybe add an invite icon to the top and bottom of the tab pages .  Possibly a notification like . ( not joking )
  " A MEMBER IS INVITING YOU TO A MULTIPLAYER MATCH IN OUR INVITE SYSTEM . TO ACCEPT OR DECLINE PLEASE CLICK HERE ".
  I get messages like the one below too often . The sad thing is nobody wants to accept invites more than I do . Those multiplayer matches are my best times here on WGT . I just can't see  the invites . 
  I explain that I just didn't see them . Most do not believe me . This is and has been a WGT wide problem forever . Most times the green available only means that one is logged on to WGT. If they do not see the invite . They are most likely surfing , or typing , or going to the bathroom , or at Walmart . . They are not sitting there waiting to ignore or decline your invite .

ARCHIVES Sun 3 Sep 2017 - 10:49 
As it becomes more and more evident that there is some problems . That have a tendency to spark many different unfavorable reactions and opinions and arguments . 
  Some that directly effect the survival of some events and formats in the future of WGT . 
  Some are too complicated to be certain of what kind and how much , or how many fixes it would take to solve .
 
  There is one though in particular . An area of GR8 concern to many . For various reasons . 

  Is the current old school poor excuse for an invite notification system . 

  A little tiny GREEN icon . Placed in the absolutely worst possible location one could think of . 
  
  That alone has been responsible for more devastating misunderstandings and catastrophic and devastating endings of everything from friendships to tournaments , to CC's . 

  Believe me when I tell you that the little tiny green invite icon located 2/3rds of the way up on the left side of a tab page . Is not likely to be seen by anyone that has an active brain and fingers that work . 

  As they are probably doing something constructive during their green status . Which only means that their computer is on and they are logged into WGT . 

  They are not sitting there staring at that little tiny green icon waiting to accept or decline the invites . 

  But in my case . I am extremely busy with admin . Which is my choice . But I would much rather accept an invite from anyone . And play a match . If there was a chance that I see the icon . I do surely jump on it . Unfortunately I am not in a position at the time to see the icon and I regretfully miss many invites . If I were to change my status to red . I would not have that chance to accept an invite . And it would be a week before I noticed that I was red . That sucks . So I will never turn my status from green . 

  This is a WGT wide problem and has been the case since before  I joined in 2012 . Quite simply the invite notification is a failure . There is no way you can predict what is happening on the other side of that invite . There are as many possibilities as their are players . And is not anything personally reflective to you . 

  There are ways to make the invite more likely to be noticed . Message any and all players prior and let them know you will be ready to invite soon . Any that respond . You have your answer , invite , and game . Seems like the hard way ? Thought it wouldn't be ? 

   I always encourage my members to message anyone they want to play with . Whether the person shows green , red , or even hidden . Yes they will get the email notification either way . Maybe come out of hiding . 

  The invite system is such a failure with that little tiny icon 2 thirds of the way up the left side of your screen . You have to actually literally almost stare at it at all times . So not to miss a rare or welcome invite . Very poor notification . 

  To have the same little Icon at both the top and bottom of your window tab pages. ( all the pages in WGT that are not the game client ) . Would make those invites hundreds of times more likely to be seen . 

  Or better yet  . A pop up that there is no way to avoid . That says So & So is inviting you to an alt shot match . Click here to accept , decline , leave message , or already playing 

  I know that these suggestions would be probably about 1,739th on the list . If even approved for review . 
  If you knew the turmoil and misunderstanding that this issue alone provokes non stop 24 / 7 / 365 with out fail . 
  Involving every kind of scenario . CC vs CC Interplay community organized and non community organized tournaments . Where the participants are from different CC's . Many already unfamiliar with the invite system . In which it is required that the opponents contact , communicate , arrange a mutually agreed upon time and day for which to be  GREEN . And then expect that this unlikely appointment is met by both parties . On the occasion that both parties find themselves GREEN at the same time . There is no response from the invitee . Frustrating the inviter . Causing him or her to message the unresponding  counterpart . Hopefully remaining calm and mature , professional , and polite . Inquiring about the un accepted invite that they had discussed the week before and agreed to mutually . Of course now that has blown any chances to play their match that week . And the following week one of them will be on holiday . 

  Well turned out that the invitee had in fact been GREEN and available during the agreed upon time . Had waited for the inviter to become GREEN . An extra 30 minutes . Had then gone to message the inviter and inquire . 
  The inviter it turns out had miscalculated the time difference and was actually 1 hour late . 
 

  If there were 2 more invite icons added to the the current icon . But placed one on the top and one on the bottom of the page ( s) . Anyone who was in a different area or page or looking at his daughter while she asked him what those GREEN things are blinking on the top and bottom of his page were . 
  Would be many many times more likely to see respond , and accept that all important invite . 

  Now that to some would be the more important scenario . Others that consider any of their time in WGT valuable . Would say that when they invite friends or CC mates to multiplayer matches . When the prospective invitee is GREEN . And knows the invitee is around and available . But did not respond or accept the invite . 

  And it turns out again that the invitee was just lower in the page responding to a forum post . Way below the little tiny GREEN icon 2/3rds of the way up on the left play now flash player section of the tab page . Completely out of site .

  Any dedicated and committed WGTer . Should have the ability to multi task and tend to what ever tasks is on their agenda . With the " luxury "  should be common place knowledge that . While tending to their administrative duties ( which could amount to hundreds of duties ) Should not be required to be playing a match , or just sitting there staring at the invite icon . Just for the simple reason to be aware of an invite .

  Should have the suggested 2 more notifications , or an even better system to alarm , alert , notify the moment an invite is initiated . To enable the invitee to respond quickly and timely with no chance of missing the invite from a friend that you had not heard from in 3 years . If missed would be possibly  the last opportunity to connect with that player .

  At any moment any invite could be that rare invite from a CC mate that you had never had a chance to play before . And not likely would again . From another fellow CC owner. One of the biggest highlight rounds one can play .

  Would never want to inconvenience those rare inviters .

  And should feel comfortable enough to stop playing and start answering the 100 plus messages that you received that day . To make some trophy's . To clean up the CC forum . To spend 2 or 3 hours messaging and explaining what WGT is to the several recruits that had just showed up . And literally dozens of other possible necessary tasks that any WGTer should be able to do . While staying GREEN . Available to play . As anyone would rather accept that invite and play than doing admin . So long as the invite notification were so efficient and effective that they would be seen and responded to . Whether it be to accept , or send a message , or decline . One must be able to see it . 

  In every scenario . The obvious and simple , cost effective way to solve this enormous problem that is an enormous problem . Concerning WGT  player relations and the highly volatile and negative ongoing , unnecessary daily , hourly turmoil that I would ask you to please take my word for the depth and vast effect that this issue presents . As I have only the best intentions for this WGT and my fellow players all the site wide . 

  To please take this suggestion very seriously . You can check out . investigate , interview members of my piers . Selectively and or randomly to verify and validate the extent of this problem that I feel is the root and cause of the sadly failing by the minute most popular and precious and necessary multiplayer format . 
  
  That once was a thriving and preferred choice for the masses . 

  But over time . With the various glitches in the past ( the invisible invite fiasco ) Immediately halted , ended forever . Some of the original organized ongoing site wide multiplayer tournaments . Stopped them cold in their tracks . As they all depended on the invite system for game play . WGT being the only game in town . 

  Most all of those long time favorite events for hundreds . Had played their last match . Never again to be able to generate the interest and commitment necessary to restart and continue a successful event . 

  And as the WGT community grew in leaps and bounds . Glitches came and Glitches went . Some remained and  got worse . Some became playable with work a rounds . 

  With the wavering uncertainty of game play and the always crap shoot of the multi-player invite . 

  And a couple few generational changes to the player in WGT . The trickle down effect of some of the older formats slowly but steadily dwindling down . Some to obscurity . Some still with hope to revive and live again and prosper and be enjoyed again  by the masses . 

  It would seem to be a no brainer . To install just 2 more icons added to the present featured icon . 1 to the top of the page . 1 to the bottom of the page . The smallest fix to one of the most volatile concerns today .
ARCHIVES Sun 27 Sep 2020 - 9:30

With the changes that have come to the game, having a method of communication outside of WGT is vital. All the more reason to have programs such as Discord or TeamSpeak or Steam in everyday use by WGT golfers.

  Yes those programs are very helpful . When you have a network of friends that agree . When those friends are on and green and responding . Then it may be easier to invite and coordinate games .

  But if those friends are not available . Or not available often .
  Then multiplayer will be difficult . And will not have Discord or TeamSpeak or Steam communication .
  I do not know why more players are not on board those communication devices . Except for everyone knows you talk funny . Lol . No matter so do we .
  But still the invite system . The ability to invite and notify , and receive and accept invites . Is a weak effort at best .
  Notification could be improved . By having a notification message at the top and bottom of the screen . Or a pop up message in the middle of the screen .

 

or
  Instead of the invisible little green icon first . That are most often missed . Or not clicked in time . By the time you get through the game client they have already given up on you . You just wasted the round you were in . If you were playing .
  If you were playing . You will see a pop up . Or a notification at the top and bottom of the page .
  If you are green . And not playing . That probably means you went to take a leak .Or Walmart . Or bang the next door neighbor . And you won't see a pop up no matter how big it is .
  But if you are just writing a Forum post . Or checking a leader board , etc , etc . You will see the pop up .
  But you won't see the tiny green icon . And miss another invite .
  Shouldn't be that hard to make a better notification . From my experience this would almost fix the invites . Making it so easy . Even a red headed step child could do it .
ARCHIVES Thu, Apr 29 2021 6:09 PM
  While we are waiting for various features in multiplayer rounds " MP " to become a reality .
RECEIVING INVITES :
While receiving an invite .
To stay on the screen long enough to reasonably reply .
 Include a message block to communicate your status ." I'll be ready in 30 seconds" ," 5 minutes ", "10 minutes "," let's try tomorrow "," playing right now "" message me bud " etc .
Also with ACCEPT or DECLINE and possibly PLAYING RIGHT NOW .
WHILE INVITING
A message block to enter other players not showing green . Also other invitees in the lobby can suggest other players they see green .
Other invitees in the lobby please remain for the full 5 minutes of the invite clock . Probably only waiting for 1 more player .
.ONCE THE HOST CLICKS PLAY
There are many players like myself that have a longer load time prior to the tee

than some others . As much as 60 to 90 seconds .
Please know this and remain patiently knowing I , we , they will appear eventually ..
Many players do know this . And are very cool about it . I thank you very much .
And pre tee is the only delay there will be .
IN COIN PLAY ONCE THE INVITE IS ACCEPTED
The above is especially important . Please know that this is the only delay PRE TEE . Just a few more seconds and the game will be underway .
THE ABILITY TO CHANGE AVAILABILITY STATUS
The old Flash program had quite an extensive feature to show various status . Even for various different game formats .
I do not think we can expect such a precise feature as that in the new format .
But I do think we should be able to designate :
GREEN AVAILABLE
RED BUSY
Baby steps I guess ..
In the old Flash . In MP Stroke RR's ( ranked rounds ) . Was the only format that went RED BUSY once a round had started . To not be interrupted by invites .
This should continue . Once they figure out how .
In unlimited play single player rounds . Both WGT ( default settings ) and CC ( tiered custom settings ) .
The ability to invite during a round was left on , on purpose . Because :
The round has " game completion turned off " . The only format with that . Giving the single player the option of restarting the round ( also the only format with the restart option ) .. 
And or accepting an invite . Without consequences . Not interrupting a MP round .
In the unlimited play single player round . Ending , quitting , exiting the round at anytime on any hole does not count against you . On your average or game completion .
That should stay the same if they ever figure it out .
Alt shot and Match Play rounds . Status can be changed manually . Not automatically as those rounds are inconsequential ..
Those I think are the basics that cover most invite concerns . There are other glitches . Some personal . Some WGT . That also make it harder to play .
If the invite system can be made anywhere close to the old Flash feature . That would help game play so much .
WHEW